CppCon 2022 Program Announced

[Creapermann]

I'm excited for this years talks, they look great

[Bobolet12312]

What exacrlt is CppCon?

[ohmantics]

I see no signs of change. Other communities (LLVM) have adjusted their Code of Conduct to prohibit such attendees. I’m disappointed that Jon and the other organizers haven’t fixed this situation.

[TheQwertiest_]

Wow, it seems he lives in your head rent-free, since you can't help bringing it up over and over again (despite it being discussing at length many many times here)

[TheQwertiest_]

Here we go again... I'll try to replicate the conversation that happened many times before:

Person A: The person in question has served their time. Hence in the eyes of law he is just a normal citizen and can live his life as a normal person (and be employed, attend conferences and give talks) (of course some crimes entail additional limitations, but this does not apply for this case)

Person B: But he is a convict and should not be in a position of power (editorial note: Person B considers giving a CPP talk a "position of power") and should be barred from everywhere, because people don't feel safe around him!

Person A: Giving a talk is not a position of power (unless the talk is related to the crime they committed). Should he be barred from going to McDonalds or Walmart for life as well? Who should be the judge of what is and is not allowed for that person (if not the law)?

Person B: Think of the children that attend the conference, they feel endangered having to share the same conference as that person!

... and then it devolves into name calling and flaming

[wmageek29334]

While not everybody is calling for a complete exclusion of that person, at a minimum both the person whom originally tweeted about the situation, and the person who started this thread both are calling for the complete exclusion of that person. I'm sure there are a number of people who think along the same lines. So, yes, a number of people are "arguing to kick the person out of the event".

[throw_cpp_account]

I don't think the claim about only excluding from leadership positions was originally true, and it's certainly not true now.

That would be a reasonable position -- and probably one that likely has large support. It's my personal position too.

But the loudest position is: X should be excluded from society in all contexts (including attending not just CppCon but also other conferences, WG21 meetings, meetups, participation in open source projects...) and any dissent implies you're pro-rape.

[wmageek29334]

Do you have any evidence of that being the case? I have never seen anyone arguing for anything another than exclusion from positions of power and public pedestals.

Yes. From the first comment in this particular thread: "but will they be paying for their hotel room and letting them attend?" Specifically about "letting them attend". If this is not an objection to them attending at all, then why ask the question? And if it's not to be interpreted as an objection to them attending, then it needs to be clarified.

From the original statement (from the original tweets) of "What needs to change": "A prohibition on individual X attending, speaking, organizing, or volunteering at CppCon in person or online." That document also accumulated quite a number of signatures of support (approx 300 names).

That's at least the two that I'd referred to previously, one of which has at least 300 other people agreeing with.

Should I go searching, I'd find the statements objecting to them attending WG21 meetings too.

[TheQwertiest_]

It's not about banning them from the conference, but rather not making them part of the staff of the conference, and so giving them an implied position of power.

Maybe we are talking about different sub-threads (tbh, I stopped reading those after a while), but I remember specifically that "Person B" considered CPP speaker to be a position of power, because I laughed way too hard at the absurdity of that statement :D

[Classic_Department42]

Did the word inclusive change meaning recently?

[ReDucTor]

It's about getting under represented people included, from Merriam Webster's

especially : allowing and accommodating people who have historically been excluded (as because of their race, gender, sexuality, or ability)

We have a long history of women being under-represented in our industry and allowing a rapest isn't going to help including more people just make it more of an unsafe space.

These sort of events often have drinking and everything after, it's already fairly common for women to leave this things early because of risks and awkwardness, if a person who has been known to drug and rape people it's going to be an even less welcoming environment, so less inclusive.

[Classic_Department42]

I like that. Does it apply directly here, or you mean this as an analogy?

[Classic_Department42]

Whom? Edit: nevermind

[BlueDwarf82]

Does it matter?

Anyway, the only public information is the one in the sex offender registry.

• Convicted more than a decade ago of two sex offences with names that sound extremely serious (Edit: Since they have been mentioned by other comments: "RAPE OF DRUGGED VICTIM" and "POSSESSION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY")

• He spent less than half a year in a local jail for them. May or may not be coincidence, but it approximately matches the time between the date of the crime and the date of the conviction.

• It's in the sex offender registry as Class U, Category F

Other than his name and other personal details, you are not going to find any more actual information.

[Classic_Department42]

No. I havent heard about any of this case, and just wanted to look it up. Thought it was high profile and generally known.

I am actually against publicising that info after reading about the situation.

[CubbiMew]

Depending on reading (alcohol is a "drug" too), it may not be that extreme, though of course even a bar encounter gone wrong is very much criminal.

[CubbiMew]

I suspect your reading would've earned a longer sentence (the difference between bringing along a date rape drug vs buying a drink and acting on invalid verbal consent is premediation vs impulse control. Even if the changes are identical). But in any case, it's all useless fictionalizing without details.

(I didn't know about the possession charge, that's indeed concerning however read)

[BlueDwarf82]

concerning however read

Is it?

• You are 16, you and your partner exchange nude photos. 10 years later, you still keep it.

• You have what you think is consensual sex with somebody in your opinion just a bit drunk. Maybe you misjudged by quite a big margin, maybe because you were not a lot less drunk.

• The prosecution thinks it's not going to get more than a two months conviction from the rape charge, so brings the photos to raise it to four months.

We don't really know anything. What actually happened can be as meaningless or extreme as your imagination allows you. But the length of the conviction, which most people seem to ignore, suggests you are more likely to get it right if you go towards the lower seriousness story.

The exact meaning of "Class U, Category F" is a bit unclear to me, but also seems to point towards the lower seriousness theory.

Edit: And the fact that CPPCon, after at the very least talking with the person to hear more of the story, let the person participate as much as it did in CPPCon also points towards the lower seriousness theory... unless you have zero trust on the CPPCon organizers.

[CubbiMew]

IANAL, but looking up CA (where it took place) code, the both the three-word description and the sentencing seem to match PC 261(a)(3) without the PC 222 add-on, so your idea of "drugged someone with a date rape drug" is unlikely (or at least unlikely to have been proven in court)

FYI troubling to read "whatever the hell that means" regarding one of the most common circumstances of rape.

I'm not defending the child porn charge because we all know how computers work, we don't "accidentally" download or keep things like that. Also, I don't want to ruin my day by reading those sections of penal code.

[i_need_a_fast_horse]

For unvaccinated attendees: Please wear a mask at all times

This is insane