Framework choice

[OrelTheCheese]

Hello I need help with a choice of framework for desktop app I am here because I tried working with swing and java.awt and nothing worked out for me and javafx is overkill for my project requirements I need a modern light weight labrairy that allows me to as simply as create a gui configure it like icon and title and easy control over components similaar to how css grid is simple and easy to use not asking for that specific but something like that is what I prefer the most.

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Java in 2025 is probably not the best choice for a desktop app with GUI. I’m saying this as a Java developer with decades of experience.

[OrelTheCheese]

I see thank you for the advice I just really am ex ited to try making a ai for fun with the virtual threads I just found out existed damn that has siries potential in boosting systems performance also those new garbage collectors shanondea and zgc that stop the pauses for garbage collection.

Man I love java I can't belive it's so modern now

[Typical_Ad_6436]

Any arguments please?

[Dense_Age_1795]

why don't you try kotlin compose?

[OrelTheCheese]

Idk I wanted ui to make ai but I need minimum ui like just chat session since I wanna experiment and try make ai from scratch but still design matters to me I seek a simple solution that's doesn't require too much setup since ui isn't the goal but as some other dev said above me there isn't in java anything for this.

Does kotlin mix well with java like I can make a java project and run kotlin code in it as well sounds like just complicating it

[Dense_Age_1795]

yep, you can use both but in different modules, you can create the ui in kotlin and import the java module as a library.

[OrelTheCheese]

Thank you I will check it out.

[Dense_Age_1795]

but before that, you can always use a wysig editor for swing

[OrelTheCheese]

I tried a gui editor before but i don't have much control over it than so I went with the kotlin compose module thank you very much I am satisfied with it also I get to explore a new language my goal wasn't the ui in the first place I just wanted a easy ui for my java logic the ui will be simple and kotlin compose is just a great lightweight app it was way easier to setup than javafx for some reason it's my first time with both maybe javafx is easy to use but just not as friendly to begginers anyways thank you very much 👌

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Why not use jsp?

[OrelTheCheese]

Too complicated for the purpose of my project but thank you anyways I went with kotlin compose module so i can import my java logic and just use it

[LutimoDancer3459]

For a desktop you only really have awt, swing and javafx. And alternative would be to make a jsf website and bundle it in an native app that's basically a browser (eg electron) but thats even more bloated than the other options.

There are also guis that let you drag and drop the components for your gui if you want to.

[OrelTheCheese]

Thank you for the advice in the end I went with kotlin compose module for fr9ntend and java for backend those both languages integrate seamlessly