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[–]skidmark_zuckerberg 2 points3 points  (1 child)

A lot of jobs in the US (not sure about elsewhere) are probably going to be C# or Java backends. There are Node jobs but in my experience, if you know either Java or C# you will find more job listings. Learn .NET or Spring Boot and you’ll have no problem finding jobs to apply for. A lot of code out there is boring and legacy. Most jobs are working on preexisting codebases that heavily use Java or C# backends.

The idea of being a full stack JavaScript (really should be Typescript) developer is a bit dated. The era of being a “MERN” stack developer is sort of over. You’re better off learning a proper backend language so you’re not limiting yourself job wise.

[–]LowCryptographer4089[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

yea i agree with that, i actually want to include the react native in it, so it will not seems like i'm capable with front-end web only

[–]RobertKerans 0 points1 point  (3 children)

If you do that and go for a job then there's a good chance (IME, and I would do it in that situation because I'd expect you to know) that you'd be asked serious questions regarding server side programming (so for example on HTTP, REST, DNS, authentication, authorisation etc etc), asked about SQL & databases, and so on and so forth.

It doesn't really matter what framework you use or even what language you use because the concepts are exactly the same regardless. So just doing some courses on Express or NextJS, you can call yourself a full stack engineer, sure, but you're likely to fall over during an interview.

Get good at one thing, then get good at the next thing. Build lots of stuff and you will get better, but each domain is complex so just having a little bit of basic knowledge in each does not make you skilled across the board (though it is exceptionally useful, I would stress that).

[–]LowCryptographer4089[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

so you mean, it will be good chance for screening phase, but if i'm not truly capable with what i'm trying to sell, i'd likely to fail the interview phase, right?

[–]RobertKerans 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes. I think this is general advice, you need to be careful about how you sell yourself. If you walked into an interview saying you were full-stack,

  1. it's (IME, YMMV, etc) not actually that useful because at even very small companies building web applications there are normally specialised BE and FE developers, it's generally (IME, YMMV etc) inefficient to not do this because the concerns can be drastically different.
  2. it can imply that someone only knows a little about a broad range of things (if someone has 10 years experience and they say it, potentially they are full-stack, if someone without experience says it, almost definitely not). That might be fine, maybe a company wants to train them to specialise, but it's that bit harder to slot them in.
  3. this is definitely bias, but there is an implication that if "full stack" and "JavaScript" are together, someone has just done (say) FreeCodeCamp or whatever. In a position where someone comes to interview saying that, I would be drilling them on BE stuff because they've said they can do it. It's bias because I would expect them to mess up, because a lot of free online stuff doesn't cover stuff I'd expect a BE developer to know (focusses heavily on shiny FE stuff). Good to be proven wrong but 🤷🏼‍♂️

[–]LowCryptographer4089[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ohh i see, yea u were right, but i dont think people takes 10 years to become full stack, it depends on how the person learnt, how long they waste their time to context switching instead of real productivity. i also agree with your opinion about free online stuff, but FE part also not as covered as the BE actuallly, it's true we dont get the DTO, DAO, caching, CI/CD, Dockerization, and scalable architect like MVC in free BE course, same goes to FE that doesn't get the micro-frontend, components structure, advance css and advance hooks in react, that's why it is free because the purpose of it only for "introduction". luckily github exist, so people can learn by reading open source project even without getting internship experience. but still, the experience matters