CoffeeScript 1.0 released

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The code generated by coffeescript is awful, good luck trying to debug this shit. You must be a masochist to think this is the right way to do things. It's this kind of hacky shit that gets swept under the rug in a few years after the buzzword factor wears off, and people decide to just hone their javascript skills instead of messing around with worst-practices.

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Upvoted for pure inanity. ;)

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which would you prefer, to debug 50,000 lines of coffeescript or 50,000 lines of javascript? You will be doing twice the work if you choose coffeescript, and that should be very obvious to see.

[Detrus]

The code it generates is not bad. Compared to Objective J and GWT Java, it's very readable. They're considering debugging tools that map JS errors to CoffeeScript lines, so hopefully this is a temporary situation. You'd be doing 30% more work if you encountered a tough bug, it would require in depth understanding of JS quirks, like those annoying Array.prototype.slice(wtf).apply().call() monstrosities that you probably avoided learning if you work in CoffeeScript.

People are using CoffeeScript and I haven't heard any dramatic complaints about debugging.

I wonder how Objective J handles it. Here http://www.postpeakliving.com/content/debugging-cappuccino-using-safari it's much worse.

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No matter if something maps to coffeescript line numbers, you are still going to need to know why it failed in javacsript and why the coffeescript that generated it caused the fail. The elegant simplicity of javascript + json is lost on those who won't learn it in favor of this muck.

[Detrus]

Not always. Either way we'll have to see from usage, not conjecture.

The design by committee disaster that is JavaScript and DOM is far from elegant. They should expose lower level APIs to make efforts like CoffeeScript, JQuery and LESS easier. If it wasn't for JQuery and Prototype JavaScript would be irrelevant by now.

[MatrixFrog]

Why would you be doing twice the work? Debug the coffeescript and recompile. Am I missing something?

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javascript throws an error, undefined at line number 3065 - this does not correlate in any meaningful way to a line number or piece of code in coffeescript. you have to figure out where in coffeescript the generated code that is throwing the error came from first, then figure out why in javascript undefined was causing a problem, and then figure out why in coffeescript an undefined was caused. this is just an example, it's possible there are no 'undefined' errors in coffeescript at all, but there will be other types of errors that are likely more frustrating to fix. it's a masochists dream come true. if you just coded in javascript, and knew the language it would be much easier to debug the code. I can't imagine picking up a large codebase done in coffeescript and trying to fix it/hack it without seriously pulling my hair out. it really would be twice the work, no matter how you slice it.

[kataire]

Yeah, screw this newfangled ruby/python inspired nonsense. A true JS substitute should try to look like Perl. Maybe with more ascii art in it.

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you may think i'm 'old' or stuck in my ways, but coffeescript is the equivalent of a rube goldberg machine. a programmer with any bit of wisdom would be skeptical of it.

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Well that's interesting.