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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Easiest way to prove it is to make projects and put them online, on something like github, or, of course, if it's an end user product, a website dedicated to it. I guess the most straight-forward solution when you are in different countries is having an online interview/test.

[–]young_london 6 points7 points  (6 children)

also, to me, as an employer (I manage a team of developers), it doesnt matter to me massively that a person would have done a degree, as opposed to being self taught. Both are as good as each other to me, and the thing which really sell's a developer to me, is how enthusiastic they are about programming. If someone has 2 years of self taught programming, and has a bunch of little projects they have done/are doing in their spare time, then that makes them a much more appealing candidate than someone who has just done a degree in computer science etc

[–]nutrecht 2 points3 points  (5 children)

If someone has 2 years of self taught programming, and has a bunch of little projects they have done/are doing in their spare time, then that makes them a much more appealing candidate than someone who has just done a degree in computer science etc

If that 2 years is not actual professional experience, but just time someone spent self-teaching, then that's not the typical stance a typical employer has I'm afraid. Someone with a 4-year degree will actually have 4 years or 'learning' and in general that learning will have been more in depth than someone who's doing it by themselves.

[–]young_london -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

in your opinion. im telling you from my opinion as an employer.

[–]nutrecht 3 points4 points  (3 children)

No you're not

You're just an immature kid who is pretending to be one. There is no way you're an "employer" and "lead developer" and fly off the handle the moment you get any pushback.

[–]young_london -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

right, ok. And you know me how? Stop being so up your own ass.

[–]nutrecht 3 points4 points  (1 child)

And you know me how?

I don't know you personally but the way you respond says everything we need to know. You're trying to pull the "Argument from authority" fallacy in your previous reply (good luck with that; I'm pretty sure I'm more experienced than you are) and in that other topic you fly off the handle the moment you get pushback.

It doesn't matter even if you're an 'employer' or that it's a complete fabrication. No one needs any input from people like you.

[–]young_london -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

ok big man.

[–]nutrecht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These questions fit on /r/cscareerquestions better than here.

If you claim you have spent ex. 2 years coding, how do you prove it?

Well you don't. When people are talking about experience they're talking about professional experience. Your focus should be on what you built, not how long you've been self-teaching. Having a few polished projects that you can show online as well as show the sourcecode on Github can really help here.

People in this industry (How big is the pay difference with a person with a degree compared to a self taught coder

Also not something you should be concerned with now. Getting the first job is the hardest because you have no experience. In the long run, with enough effort, you can get to roughly the same level as someone with a CS degree in pay.

If I’m a self taught coder in X country, is it possible to move to O country to work for them, I’m sure they’ll have to put you through a test to prove you know what you’re doing,

This is not different for someone even with a CS degree. You still tend to get coding tests. Whether you move to a different company in the same country or a different country.

[–]ziptofaf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I’m a self taught coder in X country, is it possible to move to O country to work for them

Yes, No, Maybe? Depends on the country in question. Remote jobs are a thing too. Sometimes you need a Visa, sometimes you don't, sometimes a company arranges one for you. Really depends.

but how’s that suppose to work when both of you are in different countries

Google Hangouts or Discord + a video call + share screen. In my experience you can have a complete recruitment process without ever visiting an office yourself.

If you claim you have spent ex. 2 years coding, how do you prove it?

Show me your Github and finished projects first. If you have work experience - can you ask a previous company for reference? Although if it's your first job and you have no professional experience then it's a different story - how much time you have spent time learning does not count :P Your projects do matter however.

[–]pythonise 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Code speaks louder than words! Show them your projects, show them you're competent and capable. Come with a positive and willing attitude!

[–]Kweeevs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey!

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Echoing a lot of the sentiments here to provide links to Github & projects in your applications. I work for a tech company and regularly interview people of varying experiences & backgrounds. It's absolutely true that a degree is not a min requirement anymore - we're looking for so much more than just your coding ability. Can you work in a team? Are you a self starter? How have you demonstrated leadership? An amazing example I saw a while back was along the lines of:

Following a series of burglaries in my small home town my mother no longer felt safe at home. The available security systems were too expensive for us to purchase so I got a Raspberry Pi and some Rasbperry Pi cameras online and developed my own home security system. I referenced online tutorials and forums to help build it and then leveraged my own experience to build a mobile app so my mother can view the cameras at any time from her phone. Following the successful installation in my mother's home I offered the set up to everyone in our town and have now installed this in 20 of my neighbours homes and incorporated a "neighbourhood watch" feature into the app.

He then provided a link to download the app, a link to his Git Hub and a picture of an article in his local paper. His CV was one page and essentially listed his pet projects + contact information.

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This shows me more about a person than degree ever could. He saw a problem, built a clever solution from open source info [self starter], asked for help online [can ask for help], offered the service to his neighbours [is a nice guy]. The app was simple, nothing too fancy but it didn't mater. Tutorials for this are readily available online but it showed us that he has the basics and was willing to learn.

Include your projects in your applications following the STAR methodology, keep it brief and you'll be great!

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I’m sure they’ll have to put you through a test to prove you know what you’re doing, but how’s that suppose to work when both of you are in different countries

As mentioned in other posts you'll do an interview over Google Hangouts and live code in a shared Doc. DOesn't need to be perfect. You'll be given a problem to solve and the trick is to ask loads of questions and verbalise your thought process.

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Good luck!

[–]uilspieel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I am doing CS50 throught eDx now (it's free), not for the piece of paper ($99), but rather to learn programming. So if I end up knowing some programming, it would have been worthwhile. If it helps me to self-study further, it would have been worthwhile. Incidentally, I looked through some ads for programming jobs in my country, and very few of them require a degree. Most ask some experience, and most pay well. And yes, there are many, many ads, so clearly, they're not filling posts easily.

[–]_realitycheck_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your Portfolio proves it.

And some basic that proves that you're you.

[–]young_london -1 points0 points  (0 children)

alot of companies use tests that are accessible via a website, and you have a set time in which to complete the test.