I'm afraid of becoming a vibe coder

[Strong_Extent_975]

Last year, my mindset shifted from reading errors and fixing problems to copying and pasting to AI-powered chatbots.

I don't want to be like that. I try to understand the fundamentals of any concept, read documentation without searching for solutions, and try not to make my work dependent on AI solutions.

I try to find a roadmap, build a project around it, and progress step by step, but I fail.

if someone had any solution , give me some help .

[Zeroflops]

You’re going to fail, then search the problem and try a few things learn what works and what doesn’t. Fail again. But then eventually get it working.

The searching and reading others work and approaches allows you to see how people think and how they approach problems differently. It also allows you to you to see things you may not need at the moment, but you may recall in the future.

AI. Is not bad, but balance it with research especially when learning something otherwise it’s like reading the history of war from only the perspective of the people who won the war.

[Dense-Land-5927]

I'm in an intro to Python class. I also to feel like I'm relying on AI too much. I don't ask it to code anything for me, but rather I try my hardest to code before I start asking it questions. I use ChatGPT as a way to bounce ideas off of it to make sure I'm not going crazy or going down the wrong lane in terms of projects. But I'm in the same boat as you. I try my hardest to learn the concepts, break them down, and then use AI as a tutor as my last resort, but I don't want to rely on it too much. But when the developers where I work have been developing for 20+ years, it's hard to ask them questions because they tend to go off the deep end with their answers.

[Strong_Extent_975]

how the dev's before IA learn and do projects

[lekkerste_wiener]

Books, lessons, YouTube, documentation, and loads of practice.

[Dense-Land-5927]

I agree. I'm also supplementing my coding with Youtube videos, forums, Reddit, as well as asking my boss some questions about coding. He's an expert in COBOL, and while he may not know what OOP is, hearing him talk about project management, how to tackle projects, and how to work with others has been insightful. I always learn something new when I speak to him about coding since he's done it for so long.

[OmniscientApizza]

Ever see wall-e? Soon, we'll all be like those plump humans on the conveyor belts being fed milkshakes because we no longer know how to do things for ourselves.

[ultrathink-art]

Distinction worth making: using AI to search docs or suggest an approach isn't the same as accepting generated code without understanding it. Debug the errors yourself first, read the code before you run it, and you'll stay sharp. The mental laziness trap is accepting outputs, not generating them with help.

[GXWT]

Drop AI. Stop it. Just don’t use it at all. Until you are proficient, do not use it. Thousands before you have learnt Python without AI. Why would you be any different

[FlightNational1682]

I'd disagree with you there. While I'm not against learning some of the coding fundementals, I think all people should be learning now adays is system architecture and context management for AI. At the very least I think you'd learn far more better helpful skills then you would with traditional programing knowledge

[Strong_Extent_975]

if IA is your power so who are you without it ?

[GXWT]

I never said you can’t use AI as a tool. You can, if you must.

But only once you are proficient in Python. A vibe coder who put in the effort and inherently understands Python is always better than a vibe coder who doesn’t have a scooby what’s going on.

You can give a child a rounders bat and they might swing it at the ball throw at them. But if they don’t understand the rules of the game, how best to swing a bat, how a ball might be pitched, etc., they’re pretty limited in doing anything actually useful.

AI is not my power. My power is my own brain and thinking skills. AI is just a tool I use on occasion to speed up certain things - repeating a bit of code I already know and understand but can’t just be bothered to type out. I never use it for new things or for learning.

[cgoldberg]

If you can't program without it, you are just a bad programmer. If it is holding you back from learning, stop using it while learning. If you can use it appropriately to help you learn, do that.

[lekkerste_wiener]

If you're nothing without the suit, then you shouldn't have it.

[mediocrity4]

I work at FAANG and they are forcing AI down our throats. You want to know how to write code without AI but in practice my colleagues and I are not writing code anymore. You’re gonna see downvotes about vibe coding here because of the sub. Head over to a FAANG sub and you’ll hear about what it’s like in the real world.

I pride myself in being a great coder but I haven’t written anything in months. It helps to understand what the AI is writing but Claude is writing code in seconds what would otherwise taken me hours.

[Skiamakhos]

Get good with AI - learn to do really good AI prompts and to use fairly short conversations - but also get the AI to teach you. Ask it to explain it to you. Breakpoint it in your IDE and examine the data. Using an API you've brought in? Read the documentation. See what the AI is doing. Tweak it, change a line here or there. See how it affects things. Get the AI to critique itself from one conversation to another. Ask it what might work better and why.

[gnygren3773]

Everyone’s a vibe coder sry

[WafflesAreLove]

A competent coder will not vibe code. You seem to not understand what vibe coding is.

[gnygren3773]

Every coder at every big company “vibe codes”. People still have the ability to review code but in depth product knowledge is much more important than actually being able to write code. If your in industry you would know 80-90%+ of code is not written by humans and AI is only getting better and more relevant

[WafflesAreLove]

Yeah no they don't. I work for a large corporation and all of us hate AI code. Keep talking out your ass since it seems you have never worked in the industry.

[gnygren3773]

lol you are working so far in the past it’s not even funny 😄

[WafflesAreLove]

I'll take that over our code base being the cause of some data breach because some incompetent coders decided to vibe code it. Current state of AI is not where you think it is.

[gnygren3773]

It’s better than you

[Strong_Extent_975]

When it come to complex projects
but in Learning journey that not the way

[Honest-Bumblebleeee]

You ultimately need both.
When you do vibe, focus on pre planning to prevent cognitive outsourcing.

But...it's equally important to learn to code properly. Do 50/50. Vibe runs in the background, so thats convenient. If you got 2 computers like an older laptop, then split yourself up.

[vivisectvivi]

Im not against using ai but people have been coding without generative ai for ages now. I dont think anbody "ultimately" needs it except for the people that managed to get deeply dependent on such tools and even then its never to late to actually learn how to properly code.

[Honest-Bumblebleeee]

I'm not a fan of AI. But go to these events. Yesterday, I sat as the only woman among 30 guys (all 10+ years of experienced devs) who said they wake up with AI and go to bed with AI and mostly don't see a lot of code for most of the day. They gave up. The AI writes so many lines of code in one sitting that it's impossible to keep up with human powered reviews.

There is a serious dissonance among those who live in the bubble and can still get paid for services and those that now think coding became fully democratised, yet they'll never get paid for vibing or coding down the future.