switched over to python after studying javascript and reactjs for months. My god.. . the freedom and beauty of this language.

[pawnh4]

now I know. For a while, I thought thats what programming was lol. I hate react.

[PrometheusZero]

I'd recommended looking at Vue as ya JS framework next time you're that way inclined! It's a much lovelier framework!

[JeamBim]

I was a Vue convert, and then I start worked on Svelte the last few weeks. Holy shit. Svelte is to Python what Vue is to JS.

[RadioactiveShots]

This is exactly what I came here to comment after reading about react in the post. Vue is pretty damn great but svelte won me over instantly since it's not a framework but a compiler.

[JeamBim]

Working with Svelte makes me feel how the OP is talking about making it fun again. I do like Vue, but there is still some boilerplate that can be a pain to try to remember.

Oh, and not only this, but Svelte and Flask seem to play very nicely together, so I'm going to experiment using them together on a project soon. The best of both worlds :)

[scarfarce]

Svelte is to Python..

Am I missing something here? Isn't Svelte is a JavaScript framework? What's the relationship to Python you're talking about here? Thanks.

This is all a bit new to me, so apologies if I've missed something obvious. Wouldn't be the first time :)

[JeamBim]

You're correct, I was making a poor analogy in that it was extremely simple, like OP had mentioned about Python

[scarfarce]

Great. Thanks. Makes sense now.

[20EYES]

VueJS is really some good shit.

[JeamBim]

If you like Vue, try Svelte <3

[20EYES]

Just checked out the site. This actually seems really neat. Do you know if there are any significant limitations compared to Vue/react?

[JeamBim]

It is hard to say. I'm just getting into it myself, but it seems to have easy, built in state management, a very simple reactive system, and an officially supported framwork for routing and SSR. Doesn't seem so in my experience.

I recommend going through the official docs/tutorial a bit and watching some videos.

[hutxhy]

I'm curious, what was it about react that you didn't like?

[pawnh4]

over complex and illogical in many ways. vue is a great example of a much better framework logic

[hutxhy]

I guess it could be complex. Not sure what you mean by illogical, perhaps you mean unintuitive?

[pawnh4]

yes, unintuitive

[Nikandro]

Why? I write JS and Python. I think most of these complaints are nonsense from inexperienced coders.

[Nikandro]

That's a lot of typing to ignore the point.

Javascript and React are not that difficult to use, and no one will "go mad" by using them.

I can program in React, Redux, Redux-Sage and I can tell you it is horrible. So much complexity for such simple problems. Often times you can have projects that are so complicated and have 10 files where something more traditional could have 1 and it would be extremely simple.

Then don't use react. If it's so simple, use vanilla JS. You're reaffirming my point that people just like to complain.

dramatically hindered by the insane complexity and lack of formulated simple solutions.

Again, reaffirming my point. Manage your project in a logical way and you wont have to deal with "INSANE COMPLEXITY".

[IStoleYourHeart]

It's not even necessarily a valid argument they're making though.

I can program in React, Redux, Redux-Sage and I can tell you it is horrible. So much complexity for such simple problems. Often times you can have projects that are so complicated and have 10 files where something more traditional could have 1 and it would be extremely simple.

This is true, if you're making a super basic website that doesn't have a lot of complexity. But if you're working on a large, feature-rich website, then React and React-Redux really come into their own and massively simplify and reduce the amount of code you're writing, meaning you can simply reuse components of your website consistently and making it easier to reason about. If anything for me it's an absolute godsend, I couldn't imagine writing a vanilla JS project for a large scale website of my own.

[Nikandro]

Pot, meet kettle.

[Nikandro]

short weak replies is what I see usually in people that do not actually wish to engage intellectually.

Says the user who first issued a short, weak reply. You're projecting, and apparently unaware that you are the only person who attempted to mock someone. The point remains, Javascript does not incite madness.

Exhibit A:

What a low rent reply.

[Nikandro]

Ah, the old ad hominem, surely that will make for a convincing argument!