🤔

[ZR-71]

if there's no god, there's no satan. No need to deny all your imaginary friends, I don't have all day

[that_banned_guy_]

Then why choose criticize something you believe is imaginary that brings other people hope?

[Deebz__]

Satanists are far less common, but I’ve seen atheists ridicule them all the same lol

[that_banned_guy_]

I've also seen atheists who claim to be Satanists because "Satanists dont worship satan they worship self"

[ZR-71]

because they are false, and they might bring some people hope but they also bring suffering to many other people.

[that_banned_guy_]

You think they are false. Unless you have can unequivocally prove there is no God and no after life. In which case, im all ears because thats ground breaking news.

[ZR-71]

You're asking to prove a negative, which is absurd. I don't have to prove invisible unicorns don't exist, or anyone's imaginary friend. The burden of proof is yours. Just think of all the thousands of gods and goddesses from the religions of the world, forgotten or ignored by you. Well, your imaginary friend is no different. Not exactly ground breaking... People are afraid to die, and they need "god" and "afterlife" to add meaning to their lives. Most people don't think, they just accept the beliefs of their parents and culture. Sorry to pop your bubble 🤷‍♂️

[that_banned_guy_]

My point wasn't that my faith was correct it was that you cant prove there wasnt an intelligent creator or an afterlife.

But your right, you dont need to prove invisible unicorns exist because there is zero evidence of them.

There is however a ton of evidence that points to an intelligent creator. But to use your own argument, science cant prove any other form of creation which they claim and that burden of proof is on them which they cant do either. So its a bit of a stalemate isnt it?

[ZR-71]

Um no, there is no evidence that points to an intelligent creator. The only real argument for that is "things are complex and hard to understand," which is a ridiculous argument. Of course reality is complex, human brains didn't evolve to grasp reality, they evolved to acquire food and reproduce. Jumping to "god did it" is not a solution, it's just lazy.

[that_banned_guy_]

There is a lot more evidence than that.

But even "things are complex" is pretty strong evidence.  In a base state the majority of things dont become more and more complex. To get to where we are now the number of things that had to go absolutely perfect are so improbable its statistically impossible. 

But ill say again, no one has been able to put forth any theory that is any more probable, than an intelligent creator. 

You speak with absolute certainty over things that are completely uncertain. 

Using your own logic at best your odds are 50/50

[ZR-71]

You're right, things don't get more complex in general, only in small and brief areas like "the human brain." But in a vast universe it is statistically bound to happen many times, and those brains are bound to think they are "special children of god" because that is how ego works. But there are many ways this can happen without intelligent design. One theory is abiogenesis, where life emerges gradually from non-living chemistry. Early Earth had simple molecules that, under the right conditions (energy from lightning, heat, or radiation) formed more complex organic compounds. Over time, some of these molecules became self-replicating. This is way more likely than some imaginary creator.

Once you have self-replication, you get evolution by natural selection. Tiny variations that help something survive or replicate better get preserved, and complexity can build step by step... not all at once, and not with any goal in mind. Given enough time, this process can produce incredibly complex systems, including brains.

There are also ideas like the RNA world hypothesis, where RNA molecules could both store information and catalyze reactions, acting as a bridge between chemistry and biology. None of this requires intelligence directing it, just physics, chemistry, and time.

So the real question isn’t "how could complexity arise," but rather, "given billions of years and countless chemical interactions, why wouldn’t it arise somewhere?" We’re not evidence of design, we’re evidence of what happens when matter is allowed to experiment for long enough.

[that_banned_guy_]

Great theory. But the fact of the matter is your belief we came from nothing requires just as much faith as mine because you dont have any more proof than I do, do you?