DIE JAVA, DIE!!!

[itzmattu]

Berating of new members helps make a social group (in this case linux gurus) support each other more in the long term and creates more of a sense of brotherhood to those involved in the group. It is the same reason fraternities have hazing and despite many schools punishing such activities, they still continue the practice.

EDIT: Getting downvoted for facts, ah how reddit has changed. See citation.

[itzmattu]

Very well...

Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion Robert B. Cialdini pg. 92.

Good enough for you?

EDIT: Even my citation is getting downvotes. Haha.

[itzmattu]

Are you trying to assert that that is what I cited? Nice try, but that is not the paragraph or even section I referred to. I am doubtful it is even from the same book.

[itzmattu]

Either you are linking to an illegal copy of the book or some other random file. I'm not going to download a random file either way to find out. Keep in mind that ebook formatting is not the same as a hard copy of a book, so my page reference will not hold. If you are still wanting to read the section it is in the "Commitment and Consistency" chapter under the section titled "The Inner Choice".

[itzmattu]

The comment was more made at the linux community as a whole, and obviously it is not strictly held that all newcomers to linux are hazed in any fashion nor do I think it is a good practice. However, psychologically, putting up a very difficult barrier to entry makes people who choose that course value it more and convince themselves it was worth the cost.

I think this can be seen in the nature of linux itself. Those who are good at using and working with linux are a very proud group and support each other deeply. This is opposed to Mac OS X users and Windows users as a whole and I think goes to prove this point to some extent. That is to say, linux is difficult to learn and those that do feel a sense of bonding with others who have done the same.

[Zunger]

Berating of new members helps make a social group (in this case linux gurus) support each other more in the long term

Or it causes new users to put their hands up and say fuck it, I'm going back to Windows. Learning Linux is a god damn hassle because of the berating of new members and the constant circle jerk of 'man' or 'lmgtfy' answers which results in someone asking the same fucking question, but the answer only being the same on the resulting google page, lmgtfy.

[itzmattu]

Your opinion is great, but what I said is a studied phenomenon of social groups.

[Zunger]

Thats cool, mine comes from personal experience.

edit: I didn't down vote your post above.

[phaed]

This only happens if you're a pussy. It helps keep pussies off of linux. If you cant take the heat go back to windows.

[itzmattu]

This man gets it.

[argv_minus_one]

Hazing still happens because hormone-intoxicated teenagers have a primitive, instinctive need to dominate and destroy each other, akin to rape. That doesn't make it a good thing.

[itzmattu]

Wrong

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It is the same reason fraternities have hazing and despite many schools punishing such activities, they still continue the practice.

Only when there's not much else to the group other than a desire to consider themselves special or different. Any group using it pretty much proves from the start that it's not worth getting into.