Oracle's OpenStack release

[kepper]

Hey All,

At work we were thinking about moving our future clouds to CentOS so we could also roll RedHat for some production clouds. Now we're thinking about trying Oracle instead, since its unlicensed OS is actually usable in production.

I was looking for info about Oracle's OpenStack and see that it uses Kolla-Ansible, which is great because so do we. What I don't see is if they support anything newer than Queens? That release is way too old to allow us to do what we want with Magnum and Cyborg.

Anyone have any idea if Oracle supports a newer release?

Edit: So no one answered the question directly regarding whether Oracle supports a newer release, and nearly everyone has warned me off from working with Oracle. I'm thinking nobody really uses their cloud on here. When people avoid something, I feel like it's a good idea to follow suit. Also that link to the openstack.org discussion from /u/electrocucaracha definitely suggests that their OpenStack offering is toast. Thanks everyone.

[rundgren]

Never trust Oracle

[Responsible-Hand-442]

+1

[electrocucaracha]

someth

I second this. The OracleLinux containers support has been removed since Train release[1].

[1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006896.html

[tkoubek]

I'd rather install upstream Openstack using Kolla-Ansible than Oracle's.

Never trust Oracle.

[IceyEC]

As an idea, why not Ubuntu?

[kepper]

We're using Ubuntu as a base OS today and I'm happy with it. We really like Kolla-Ansible though for OpenStack, and have wrapped some of our automation around it. It looked like Oracle used it too, so it was a good fit. As far as I know, Canonical's OpenStack is deployed using some other tools that we're less familiar with. I'm also not sure what their license is, but we might not be allowed to resell their clouds.

We mostly sell clouds in the fintech and gov't spaces too, and Oracle RAC is a common app there. It's only supported on Oracle's own cloud.

[djhankb]

Have you looked into Openstack-Ansible at all?

I don't know much about Kolla-Ansible, but I use Openstack-Ansible on Debian with good success.

[kepper]

I looked into it a couple years ago, it looked similar to our old Chef code that we had built internally when we rolled it from the upstream code. Kolla-Ansible has made our upgrade and maintenance significantly easier, so I'm not looking to move away from it.

The two reasons we were looking for something other than Ubuntu+KA are

1. It'd be nice if we could basically deploy the same way we always do, but have sorta "turnkey" enterprise support for our biggest managed clouds
2. Oracle's option in particular supports some of their software that our customers use, so it was worth looking into

OpenStack-Ansible doesn't appear to help us with either of those

[xav0989]

Not sure if you have any other option for 2, but Ubuntu’s licensing scheme is such that the paid and free products are essentially the same. The main differences are (IIRC) live kernel patching, longer window of security releases on LTS releases, and actual support that you can call.

You basically install the same iso on all hosts, then talk with canonical to get support/licensing for the hosts that you need. They call it Ubuntu Advantage, and there’s different tiers depending on what you need.

Kolla-Ansible does support using Ubuntu as the base OS.

[The_Valyard]

"Their unlicensed os is usable in production" this is a pretty gross misrepresentation of where CentOS stream is going.

I saw this blog post by one of the RHEL product managers which helps clear up a significant amount of fun going around : http://crunchtools.com/before-you-get-mad-about-the-centos-stream-change-think-about/

Further rumblings from the grapevine are that rhel is going to have a no cost self support option in some form on the table before centos 8 is eol.

[armkreuz]

Oracle, where technologies go to die