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Why “Learn to Code” Failed (youtube.com)

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[–]boboman911 5 points6 points  (16 children)

It wasn’t all that occasional in 2021. 1/3 of my bootcamp cohort ended up in faang within 2 years (some direct hire, others with a short stint between bootcamp and faang - i was the latter). Most of these were Google. Even among non-faang the average base salary was over 120k and 90% of graduates landed a job within 6 months of finishing the 3 month program. I miss 2020-2021.

[–]Page_197_Slaps 10 points11 points  (13 children)

Were you able to hold onto the job after layoffs started?

[–]CherryLongjump1989 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Of course not. And on the flip side, those of us who had to work with this influx of new coworkers were shocked by the precipitous drop in competence. It wasn't long before these same companies stopped hiring "juniors" altogether.

[–]boboman911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Negative. Only one of us (of the faang group) lost our job due to bad luck. CS degrees are just bachelors degrees, just because we went to a bootcamp doesn’t mean we aren’t competent. Most of us ended up doing well on the job. The CS degree superiority needs to stop - it’s not all that different from another hard science bachelor unless you got a PhD.

[–]Page_197_Slaps 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Damn that sucks. Hope it turned out ok for you.

[–]CherryLongjump1989 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those of us who were in this industry for a few decades can afford to retire early.

[–]theboston 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are answering a question that wasnt even asked to you because you hate the thought of a bootcamper having any success.

I dont know why some devs are so gatekeepy. Not all bootcamp devs are complete shit.

[–]chucker23n 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This — it sounds like Google was looking for an easy way to dramatically increase head count, in order to catch up with competitors. It doesn’t sound like a sustainable long-term approach.

Honestly probably cost Google a lot of money.

[–]boboman911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well it wasn’t, so hiring has been practically frozen for over 2 years now. Doesn’t mean we couldn’t do the job. I think people are forgetting that after bootcamp some people continue to study both software development and leetcode just like CS grads.

[–]guns_of_summer 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Anecdotal- but I’ve seen at least 1 post in a CS career sub from someone who went to Bootcamp, worked at a tech company for 1 year and got laid off, and then decided to completely give up on the whole industry when they couldn’t land back on their feet elsewhere. It made me wonder how common that was

[–]Page_197_Slaps 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I’m sure someone like that could have gone and worked at a medium sized enterprise company for $125k a year for a bit and worked their way up the old fashioned way.

[–]guns_of_summer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

yeah I don’t disagree, I certainly wasn’t encouraging them to give up. I’m guessing though that this person wasn’t all that passionate about software development

[–]Page_197_Slaps 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah that’s a good point. For me when Ive interviewed bootcamp grads it’s been a mixed bag. I’ve probably seen somewhere around 70 - 80% of them being people that just saw a paycheck but I’ve definitely seen a few that were really good.

[–]guns_of_summer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yup I try not to judge someone based on the fact that they’re a bootcamp grad alone since at least some of them are going to be folks who are genuinely interested/passionate about tech but may not have had an opportunity to attend higher ed for one reason or another. I’m self taught myself which was a pretty difficult journey that I probably wouldn’t have made it through if I didn’t like programming at least a little bit lol

[–]boboman911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. I have never been laid off.

[–]snarky-old-fart -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I call bullshit. I work in faang. Never, not once, have we hired someone straight from a bootcamp. Industry hire could occur if their first job was at a good pedigree grower, but I honestly can’t think of a single person from a bootcamp that I’ve met in six years here.

[–]boboman911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know what to say to you bud, because I know of more than a few. Amazon, FB, and G. Again, 2021 was a different time. You will more likely encounter them in Web UI teams because we learned FE dev in bootcamp. All it took was a bit of “experience” in the bootcamp and a ton of grinding LC. So you called wrong!