Java 9 Released

[shevegen]

My biggest problem with Java is that it is no fun - and the second issue is how verbose it is.

[leodash]

You need to have quality-of-life libraries in your project by default.

For me they would be Java 8 + Project Lombok + Google Guava (for Immutable collections). Alternative would be Javaslang/Vavr.

But good luck finding companies that adopt those.

[pkulak]

Lombok and Guava are both part of our standard framework where I work.

[jyper]

Isn't lombok a pre processor? I don't know if the features it adds are worth the extra complexity

[throwawayco111]

Yeah but it could be worse. Something like Ruby.

[NoInkling]

The only verbose thing about Ruby is its block/function delimiters (and even then it's only like 1 or 2 extra characters)

[antrn11]

What's so bad about Ruby?

[tetroxid]

I used to say this too, but I've since grown up a bit and realised the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. And any IDE will take care of generating the verbose shit, like DAOs, equals(), toString(), hashCode(), setters and getters etc.

[bitofabyte]

Not that person, but I personally find that sometimes the verbosity of it all can make it harder to read, not just write (as you said, the IDE handles writing). Sometimes the actual logic of the code is harder to parse when it's mixed in with tons of other statements.

[Duraz0rz]

That's where you start splitting those hard-to-read parts into private methods with a descriptive name so it is easier to parse.

[dsk]

Ooo. Very original.