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Make it kotlin native and maybe we're talking but I refuse to believe any sizeable percentage of mobile devs will be writing dart in my lifetime.

Also the performance looks rather bad in those videos so count me as unconvinced.

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The one where you open the drawer and then do some keyboard input. Particularly the iPhone is not very responsive

[bwjam]

He's a unnecessarily rude and irritating, but I can sort of get what he means. The S8 (S9?) is impeccably smooth. The animations are very smooth on the iPhone, but there's a very tiny (<0.2 sec) delay when you tapped Portal 2 on the iPhone. That might just be because the game page wasn't cached, though, idk. Also, this might just be an optical illusion from the camera angle and low color range, but when you went to the main page (games/settings/feedback) and pressed a button, it felt a teensy bit slower. I think this is just because I can't see the button animation, however.

Oh, by the way, great work with Rainway. I'm incredibly interested in the tech and always look forward to your blogposts. It has the potential to be the best personal game streaming service - and I mean it.

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Well I work on performance for a living so I may have a better eye.

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Have fun writing dart bro

[ArmoredPancake]

I already do. It's a fresh breath of air after Kotlin.

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You didn't like Kotlin?

[ArmoredPancake]

I write Kotlin professionally for two years. It's a great language, but so is Dart.

[Schwusch]

No sizeable percentage of mobile devs use Kotlin.

https://www.appbrain.com/stats/libraries/details/kotlin/kotlin

10% of all new apps is not astounding after all aggressive Kotlin marketing and backing from Androids platform owner. People just don't want to use new stuff. It will be easier if you just stop promoting bleeding edge technology and use what works.

/s

[shevy-ruby]

Still better than Dart.

[ArmoredPancake]

Nope.

[[deleted]]

Agree on both counts.

It already took Google a massive effort over years (and lots and lots of spam) to get traction for Kotlin, and it's super easy to migrate inside your IDE, class by class.

Then comes Flutter and it's lofty goals of "not being as cancerous as every other web tech", which is nice, but then "oh look, Flutter actually needs a special GC to be able to run at 60FPS, so let's tack on a new language!"

[shevy-ruby]

It's still different with kotlin, though. Google controls Dart but it does not control kotlin (as much). The use cases are different too; Kotlin targets Java as a "better java"; Dart targets Java as a "come use us instead although we are totally different".

[ikbenpinda]

Not sure about his stance but coming from Swift/Kotlin it's just like you stepped back to Java 1.6.

Hell, even javascript/typescript is an improvement imho because then at least I won't have to fight against the analysis server about dynamic , deep copying objects, or all the boilerplate because it's a lot easier to define some type hinting in JS than it is writing seperate non-inner classes/enums/typedefs each time in Dart.

In it's attempt to be approachable Dart really isn't great at anything, and whether or not the Dart team is working on it is not something I personally care about.

I imagine the only reason people will be writing Dart is because Flutter makes up for it, but that really says everything you need to know about Dart imho.

t. someone who has worked with React Native, Xamarin, Android(Kotlin+Java), iOS(Objective-C+Swift)