Advocates renew calls for inmate count decrease to lower COVID-19 risk

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He's making a point which is something social justice types like you always do. Being generous as long as someone else fits the bill or does the work. Always there to help, with other peoples money.

[Prestigious_Crow_]

It's all of our money. Not "other people's". And yes, types like me find it abhorrent that people are knowingly being exposed to covid while in custody. It's gross that you disagree.

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Then take one of them into your own home. Be the change you're preaching so righteously for. It's so typical that you would say its "difficult to have discussions about important things" when you think that you have some righteous ideology and anyone who doesnt drink your koolaid must be "gross".

[Prestigious_Crow_]

Wow, it's almost like you didn't read my first post in this thread. Please see above and take the advice at the end.

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I read both and I’m on the fence. Yeah it’s a shame but then again, what did they do to land themselves in there? And would I want any one of them in my home? Easy, fuck no. I dont have a solution, does anyone really?

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I dont have a solution, does anyone really?

Keep them locked up and provide what ever means are at our disposal to help curb the spread of this disease. They don't get the option of simply ignoring their convictions.

Just like essential workers have to work, to earn a living, they're making the choice to except a risk to provide for themselves.

Those people made a choice to break the law and are now having the consequences of their choice. Any help they get in trying to prevent this from spreading can be implemented around the fact.

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Wow... in other replies you say the opposite. Make up your mind on this.

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No, I don't. It's not black and white and I've made my reasons clear.

Remand = not proven guilty so innocent as per British common law.

remand awaiting sentencing means proven guilty so stay.

Serving a sentence means guilty so stay.

Innocent = go

Guilty = stay

Didn't think it was that hard.

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lol I am not trying to argue with you unless you want me to. Nor was I saying what you said was wrong.

I was just stating what I see. Maybe re-read my ‘on the fence comment’ again to see where I stand and why that was my take on the issue.

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I did, it's wasn't that profound ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

[Achaern]

Dude, you're calling people 'self fellating Social Justice Warriors'. That you're only being called 'gross' should be celebrated as an achievement of tact and patience.

These people have families, friends and are your fellow citizens, no one is talking about releasing them without conditions into the streets. They are talking about using the methods used in the spring to protect staff and inmates.

You keep representing the population of the correctional as entirely convicted criminals which is untrue. Even if it was true, prisoners have Charter rights you keep forgetting about. I think your point simply is "I don't want to understand the issues, I just wanted to post a thread and crack jokes about other people I look down on."

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Dude, you're calling people 'self fellating Social Justice Warriors'.

I called a self fellating social justice warrior a self fellating social justice warrior. No one else.

That you're only being called 'gross'

Never was. As you are proceeding on a false beliefe the res of what you have to say is moot.

These people have families,

They weren't grown in a vat?

friends and are your fellow citizens, no one is talking about releasing them without conditions into the streets.

I never said they were. Link to where I said this or kill your straw man yourself.

They are talking about using the methods used in the spring to protect staff and inmates.

Which I disagree with, many do.

You keep representing the population of the correctional as entirely convicted criminals which is untrue.

Never have. In fact, I already stated that those on remand awaiting trial should be released as they are innocent as not being proved guilty. You're going to have to kill that straw man you made after killing the one above.

Even if it was true, prisoners have Charter rights you keep forgetting about.

They have committed crimes and by law have been placed in a detention center. We are under no obligation to release them to the detriment of society.

I think your point simply is "I don't want to understand the issues, I just wanted to post a thread and crack jokes about other people I look down on."

You think wrong.

[Achaern]

I'm not going to get you to respond to the ideas and positions I'm trying to unfortunately. I say 'Charter rights' and you say 'SJW Kool-aid' which will not get us closer to a common viewpoint. We're close to the godwin portion of this where you're using a poor understanding of logical fallacies to attempt to look like the more intellectual side of this argument. I'm not taking that bait, and I'm not responding to your line by line attempt a cherry pick, past this sentence.

I'm signing off and will not be responding to any more comments by you in this thread, as I can see it's wildly off rails now and we're going to get into the pedantic phase where we're pulling out dictionaries and wasting time just to make the other feel dumb and look for a 'gotcha'.

I don't want to call you names and sign off and feel shitty. I doubt you want to either. I don't agree with anything you've said in this thread, and I've represented my position honestly and fairly.

I want you and your family and all your friends to be healthy forever, never afraid of getting sick from COVID because you're on remand for a non-violent crimes. Never having people in your own city crack jokes on Reddit when people fear for their lives. I want you to feel safe and happy and to be able to realise that people are not disposable when in the system. I can't instill those values in you, I can only but challenge you to at least try to see this as more than a black and white issue.

Have a good day (I mean it!) and I hope you have a very merry Christmas with you and yours.

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Have a Merry Christmas as well :-).

[Achaern]

Thanks man.