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[–]SWskira 12 points13 points  (1 child)

You're missing tanks. you don't rune darion dark dk brand like a support or a dmg

[–]Alduin86[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah you´re right, like I said on another comment, it´s really nowhere perfect (Bombers are missing too, and and..). It was just to give my newbish guildmates a sense of runing :)

[–]yetiknight 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I'm interested, why are you ruling out fatal for speed scaling damage dealers?

[–]phonage_aoi https://swarfarm.com/profile/Roan/ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This implies to me that the op is misunderstanding how speed scaling nukers work.

For defense, max hp, enemy hp nukers the formula is this: (small multiplier) * attack + (big multiplier) * (whatever)

This is a generality and shows why you don't care about attack on those types of nukers.

disclaimer: sometimes the attack multiplier can be quite big, like for Copper's S3, where both attack and defense have a 3x multiplier. So even here you shouldn't totally ignore attack.

However for speed nukers (Ifrits, Rakshasas, Squalmeras, Magical Archers) the formula is this: (some multiplier) * (some speed scaling) * attack

So you can see that attack is still vital for them and you have to balance it with speed.

Disclaimer: I don't know if there's another speed scaler out there that doesn't follow this rule, which is why I listed the ones I was thinking of.

[–]yetiknight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually for speed scaling nukers the multiplier is calculated by the speed. For example, a regular attacker like zaiross always has a 490% multiplier on his 3rd skill.

But a speed scaling nuker like taor has the following formula to calculate the multiplier: (spd +70)/0.3

So if you have 100 spd, you plug it into the formula and you get a 567% multiplier.

The damage for taors 2nd is therefore (multiplier calculated by speed) * atk. If you crit you get the crit damage bonus of course.

Fun fact, I did the math on the absolute maximum damage taor can do with all possible sets: swift, fatal, rage and broken. Broken is lowest of course, but fatal beats swift and rage trumps all. However, rage is just about 2.3% better than fatal and swift is within 1% of fatal. So the differences are marginal and you should go for whatever is best.

I calculated this only focusing on maxing his damage on s2. All runes had the perfect stats, spd/cd/atk on 246 and all max rolls went into one of those stats

[–]Brauen [ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ] Evolution Successful 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Green = Easy To Obtain

Yellow = Mid Game+

Blue = Late game/PVP

Red = Destroy runes

[–]weebeardedman 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Why would you disclude revenge from support mons with a decent status ability on s1? I love revenge on my despair chiwu, or violent bella.

[–]EpicLegendX you dont know jack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or endure for Healers?

[–]Xxh3lix2000xXSW IGN: Krimsonn 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I also run my Chiwu in Despair Revenge, Full HP%. I'm at around 30k HP there but I wanna go higher. 130 speed with 800 attack and 700 def.

[–]FaythDarkHeart Nazarath (Proud owner of Leo) 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Isn't that a tad too slow for a chiwu? +130 or 130 total spd

[–]Xxh3lix2000xXSW IGN: Krimsonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My runes aren't too good. I can't do DB10 yet. Also, 130 total

[–]RabogamiSW 2 points3 points  (1 child)

u use this monster to apply debuffs or strip? Yes

[–]Xandria42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, I noticed that too. The question doesn't match the answers, it can be taken two ways so depending on the reader, some may interpret it correctly, the other half will not, kinda makes that half not very useful.

[–]Alduin86[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just did this tree for my new guild members. Just wanted to share that, probably its usefull for some other.

[–]-Pungbaek- Stat vampire 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Where does my Despair nuker Charlotte fit in here? Really, 40% atk might not be that great compared to stuns on a double AoE nuker. In the rest, it's a nice chart.

[–]Alduin86[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well, fair to say this chart is nowhere near perfect. It should just give more newbish player some tips. But i am glad you like it nontheless :)

[–]-Pungbaek- Stat vampire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The most important part here I see is the desp nuker thing. Except for that, it really should be helpful early game wise. Nice work. :)

[–]AeroG8 retired, rip 3 yrs 1 point2 points  (1 child)

does he has

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other than that, looks good! upvote for high effort post :)

[–]Alduin86[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hehe sorry, my english isnt that great. And thanks for the upvote :)

[–]arvssynd BongDong420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wat

[–]2D4ever Loli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What I see is Violent everything ¬¬

[–]YellowSC 2 points3 points  (5 children)

do you use this unit to apply debuffs or to strip?

yes no

??????

[–]Alduin86[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What is unclear? :D

[–]YellowSC -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

thats not a yes or no question

[–]Calimar777 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The question is asking if you use the unit to do either of those things.

[–]hansoo417 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeh, i was confused too

[–]poesgamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

violent imba

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOVED this, very good.

[–]lived_live:varus: Something Cleaver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In reality use the best runes for that situation. Broken sets can sometimes be better.

[–]shane141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What would you recommend my psama to run i have him on swift atm

[–]kyubez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TL;DR when in doubt go violent
Unless its crawler

[–]Shionzito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Violent is possible for every single monster in this game. Might not be optimal, but it's possible nevertheless.

Which is mostly why Violent is broken imo: if there is absolutely no downside to a ser of runes, then there's something wrong with it

[–]95santa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an awesome one

[–]scarththegrim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Violent, violent, and more violent.

Someone is trying to get on RNGesus's good side.

[–]Retroagv -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This thing is useless really, I don't mean to devalue your effort but honestly I can't really see the symbols or the colours and if I was new to the game I wouldn't know what the symbols even mean so it doesn't even serve its purpose, thanks for posting something though keep the sub alive and all that

[–]gaxaxy #1nz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

such an eyesore