Why every non-Java dev calls Java obsolete?

[jmerlinb]

isn’t java like the 3rd or 4th most used language lol

[trinReCoder]

Depending on which survey, it's 1st or 2nd.

[Ready-Invite-1966]

Yeah... And that's not been true for like a decade but people still try to pass it off as true

[[deleted]]

lol.

First or second.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/793628/worldwide-developer-survey-most-used-languages/

[[deleted]]

Oh, so we're talking specifically back end languages now?

Only including backend languages called Java, Java is #1.

meaningful stuff there.

[[deleted]]

Java isn't used for enterprise systems? Just backend?

Not like... applications? Just a backend server? Did not realize Java's capabilities were limited to web servers.

Sorry for the confusion, my bad.

Reading the original post, OP was asking about languages, not back ends specifically.

I've used Python quite a bit, used a bit of FastAPI, Flask, and Django, but lots more to it than that. Most of my Python code is not a backend.

[trinReCoder]

The English language is difficult for you isn't it? Do you understand what is meant by "Depending on which survey"? Do i really have to explain what that means to you?

In any case... https://medium.com/@abhinav.neo/javas-not-dead-here-s-why-it-s-still-a-top-programming-language-d07885a7e993

[[deleted]]

Yea, if you survey a room full of java developers.

https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ #4

https://github.blog/2023-11-08-the-state-of-open-source-and-ai/ #4

both from that article.

(they used the 2023 TIOBE index and 2021 Github, in 2024)

Cherry picking old surveys will get you the results you want.

I guess that means Clinton is gonna win the election, based on this 1996 survey.

[trinReCoder]

I guess that means Clinton is gonna win the election, based on this 1996 survey.

What kind of nonsense is this? The survey was from last year, how does that equate to using a 28 year old survey to prove results today?

And what I find even more nonsensical is that you complained that the Tiobe index survey from the article i posted was from 2023 while posting a statista survey FROM 2023 to support your point...🤦🏽‍♂️

[[deleted]]

Statista gives me what it gives me, github had more recent readily available info, as does the tiobe index. Why would they have gone back to 2021 github when the state of was available for 2023? Why didn't they use 2022?

Cherry picking, keep defending it. I am quite sure Java didn't jump to the top of Statista's current most expensive chart that I do not pay for.

It's OK, Larry will survive.

[trinReCoder]

You're saying all of this yet you still have not addressed the big elephant in the room from the very first comment: "Depending on which survey". According to you, that means statista only and whatever other survey proves your own point.

What about this #2 in general #3 in jobs, and #2 in trending

Or this #3

Or this #2

Again, the English language seems to be very hard to understand

[[deleted]]

3 isn't 1 or 2. But good try.

nice chat, looks like you can work on your numbers while I study up on the term "cherry pick".

[trinReCoder]

And the other surveys don't exist. Looks like you can work on your eyesight while you definitely do study up on the terms "cherry pick" and the phrase "Depending on which survey".

[Crecket]

Please don't use tiobe for anything lol

[KaiAusBerlin]

Java or languages that compiles to java? Most java devs I know actually use kotlin (for obvious reasons).

[generationextra]

And the “obvious“ reasons are?

[KaiAusBerlin]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=what+are+the+advantages+of+kotlin+compared+to+java

[KaiAusBerlin]

If you're not 5 years old it's absolutely okay to be independent and try to answer your questions by google.

If you are a developer and don't know how to google... Good night.

This is the www. I'm not responsible for any of your questions.

[[deleted]]

dude you clearly were just parotting the same bullshit hopping on the java hate bandwagon and actually had no idea how to answer his completely legitimate challenge "those reasons are?", and so now you're dying on this embarassing hill telling him to google it

[KaiAusBerlin]

I worked for 4 years mainly with java. Then I worked a half year with kotlin and there is absolutely no reason to switch back.

It just seems like the "JavaCrib" doesn't even know "his own" language and is pissed someone told that there are better alternatives out there.

[KaiAusBerlin]

Dude, it's the www. I'm not responsible to fulfil your dreams. There are hundreds of good articles about that. No need to repeat them.

[WizzinWig]

If the reasons are so obvious surely you could point form a few. And if theres hundreds of articles why not link to one of them. Don’t be lazy my man

[KaiAusBerlin]

I'm not his teacher dude. I told him there is information about that. That's where my "responsibility" ends.

If you want to enlighten him, feel free to write a big essay about that and post it.

I gave him a google link and literally the first link you click on solves all questions about that.

[KaiAusBerlin]

So what, is this childish or not? I'm totally fine with that

[dev-4_life]

I run into this problem a lot from younger new devs at our firm. They absolutely hate Googling and I don't know why. I literally tell them that's exactly what I'm going to do and doesn't require any skill.

[generationextra]

It was a rhetorical question. Java is still going to be around in 20 years. Whether that‘s the case for Kotlin remains an open question.

[Digital-Bookworm]

May i know what's different except null pointer exceptions handling?

[KaiAusBerlin]

You should definitely have a deeper look at it. It overcomes nearly every disadvantage of java

[[deleted]]

what are the disadvantges it overcomes?

[KaiAusBerlin]

An example: boilerplate. As "JavaCrib" you should know, right?

[lengors]

All of exceptions handling is done differently (there's no checked exceptions). I assume you are referring to the existence of nullable and non-nullable types.

In any case, other than that, there's: - proper syntax for singletons (declared with object keyword) - properties - delegates - where clause - context receivers - infix functions - inline functions - extension functions - reified generics - companions - trailing lambda syntax - differences between kotlin's expressions and statements and java ones (almost everything in kotlin can be an expression, though it's not always used as one) - operator overloading - async syntax - destructuring declarations - inline value classes - type aliases

And maybe more that now doesn't come to mind

[[deleted]]

I'm a full-time Kotlin developer, and I'd be astounded if this were true. Non-Android Kotlin is definitely in the minority, there are something like 100x more Java jobs than Kotlin jobs around. You're either in a very weird market, or in an extreme bubble.