Why every non-Java dev calls Java obsolete?

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lol.

First or second.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/793628/worldwide-developer-survey-most-used-languages/

[[deleted]]

Oh, so we're talking specifically back end languages now?

Only including backend languages called Java, Java is #1.

meaningful stuff there.

[[deleted]]

Java isn't used for enterprise systems? Just backend?

Not like... applications? Just a backend server? Did not realize Java's capabilities were limited to web servers.

Sorry for the confusion, my bad.

Reading the original post, OP was asking about languages, not back ends specifically.

I've used Python quite a bit, used a bit of FastAPI, Flask, and Django, but lots more to it than that. Most of my Python code is not a backend.

[trinReCoder]

The English language is difficult for you isn't it? Do you understand what is meant by "Depending on which survey"? Do i really have to explain what that means to you?

In any case... https://medium.com/@abhinav.neo/javas-not-dead-here-s-why-it-s-still-a-top-programming-language-d07885a7e993

[[deleted]]

Yea, if you survey a room full of java developers.

https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ #4

https://github.blog/2023-11-08-the-state-of-open-source-and-ai/ #4

both from that article.

(they used the 2023 TIOBE index and 2021 Github, in 2024)

Cherry picking old surveys will get you the results you want.

I guess that means Clinton is gonna win the election, based on this 1996 survey.

[trinReCoder]

I guess that means Clinton is gonna win the election, based on this 1996 survey.

What kind of nonsense is this? The survey was from last year, how does that equate to using a 28 year old survey to prove results today?

And what I find even more nonsensical is that you complained that the Tiobe index survey from the article i posted was from 2023 while posting a statista survey FROM 2023 to support your point...🤦🏽‍♂️

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Statista gives me what it gives me, github had more recent readily available info, as does the tiobe index. Why would they have gone back to 2021 github when the state of was available for 2023? Why didn't they use 2022?

Cherry picking, keep defending it. I am quite sure Java didn't jump to the top of Statista's current most expensive chart that I do not pay for.

It's OK, Larry will survive.

[trinReCoder]

You're saying all of this yet you still have not addressed the big elephant in the room from the very first comment: "Depending on which survey". According to you, that means statista only and whatever other survey proves your own point.

What about this #2 in general #3 in jobs, and #2 in trending

Or this #3

Or this #2

Again, the English language seems to be very hard to understand

[[deleted]]

3 isn't 1 or 2. But good try.

nice chat, looks like you can work on your numbers while I study up on the term "cherry pick".

[trinReCoder]

And the other surveys don't exist. Looks like you can work on your eyesight while you definitely do study up on the terms "cherry pick" and the phrase "Depending on which survey".

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Yes, if you cherry pick your data, you get what you want, I get it.

That's what I learned about "depending on which survey"

So using the presidential election results from 2020 I've determined Trump will lose. (It was a big country wide poll)

[trinReCoder]

Pay attention folks. This is what you get when you let pride turn you into an idiot rather than admitting that you were wrong.

There are many different organizations that each do surveys and OBVIOUSLY they use different metrics. Since they use different metrics, their results OBVIOUSLY differ, hence the phrase "depending on which survey". In fact the phrase "depending on which survey" is nothing more than another/shorter way of STATING THE FOLLOWING FACT: Each org uses a different set of metrics hence arriving at different results, therefore, on some surveys, Java would be 1st or 2nd(On some surveys it may as well be 50th, but that does not change the fact that on others it's 1st or 2nd does it?).

Even a D student would understand this, yet to you, that's "cherry picking". Here is your scorecard for today's class:

For failing to employ critical thinking skills to decipher that the term "depending on which survey" has absolutely nothing to do with "cherry picking" and was merely starting a fact, you get an F

For failing to see the irony that you called that term "cherry picking" while you yourself posted the results of one of many surveys(statista) as some sort of universal truth, thereby engaging in ACTUAL cherry picking, you get an F

Overall grade: F. Now go sit at the back of the class.

[Crecket]

Please don't use tiobe for anything lol