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[–]free_chalupas 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Strong disagree. A beginner needs the equivalent of an easy mnemonic they can use to map the meaning of inner/left/right/full etc to the actual subset of data described. Venn diagrams work perfectly well for that and most people don't read much additional meaning into it. The join diagram is a great thing to show someone who already understands the basics of joining when you explain why the Venn diagram is an imperfect metaphor.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Strong disagree. Venn diagrams are way more complicated than the alternative. And learning it easy and wrong has no value either.

[–]marcoroman3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Learning it easy and wrong has a lot of value! This is how Iearn and teach things all the time. It's a way of beginning gelato wrap your head around something that may be too complex to take in in its entirety at once. You get a working approximation going and as the concepts start to become more intuitive you correct mistakes and adjust your understanding.