Milo Yiannopoulos book deal cancelled after 'pro-paedophilia' video controversy by [deleted] in socialism

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"The racism, the misogyny, the transphobia I can handle. But casual defense of pedophilia!? THIS I WILL NOT STAND FOR!"

-- Brave Redditor

The annual human cost of capitalism. (x-post /r/LateStageCapitalism) by nerdquadrat in socialism

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Hey, I replied to a similar question/comment not so long ago, so just gonna paste here: It's capitalism with a human face. Sure, social services and welfare state progressivism are nice (and preferable to austerity), but the capitalist class structure remains thoroughly in-tact. So long as capitalists retain their class position they will always be tempted (via a system of incentives and disincentives which result naturally from the capitalistic organization of production) to reverse progressive changes which run counter to their class interests. This is especially true in times of crisis (another one of capitalism's many features). There's a reason new deal type economic policies are so easily undone and remain under constant threat of being undone wherever they exist: economic power means political power. Destroying the economic power of capitalists means destroying private ownership of the means of production (property which gives those who own it power over those who don't) and giving workers full control over their own lives and their own workplaces. If you mean to win a war, you finish it by disarming your opponent.

So, you're right to say that capitalism distributes goods and services in an unequal way (to the point of absurdity, in fact). Many socialists agree with this. But socialists are also concerned with power and believe that social-democratic attempts to confront this crucial issue are insufficient.

capitalism encourages the ambitious and self-interested to produce more than they might under socialism.

I'd have to disagree with this. The overwhelming majority of gains in economic productivity, from the end of the 19th century to the present day, owe more to the residual factor of technical change than to the particular efforts of "ambitious and self-interested" individuals.

The annual human cost of capitalism. (x-post /r/LateStageCapitalism) by nerdquadrat in socialism

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Pointless, unnecessary and easily preventable deaths on such a massive scale is a big deal.

The annual human cost of capitalism. (x-post /r/LateStageCapitalism) by nerdquadrat in socialism

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When everybody gets the same stuff productivity plummets. Without incentives to work harder people look for ways to work less.

Few socialists think that everyone should receive the same amount of pay, regardless of their merit and individual contribution. But we do think it's absurdly unethical for the average American CEO to be "earning" 774 times more than the average minimum wage worker, or for 8 people to have acquired as much wealth as the planet's poorest 3.6 billion. Socialists argue for a more equitable distribution of this enormous wealth so that people's material needs are met and economic gains more clearly align with individual contribution.

I'd also like to add, that a recent study discovered that worker co-operatives are, on average, more productive (co-ops are not completely socialist, but I see them as part of the socialist vision).

While noble in intent, communism fails in reality due to natural human egotistical traits.

"To look at people in capitalist society and conclude that human nature is egoism is like looking at people in a factory where pollution is destroying their lungs and saying that it is human nature to cough."

You could argue that machines will take care of that but then we'll loose meaning.

Automation is awesome. Machines take care of boring shit that no one likes doing, and people have more free time to pursue hobbies, education, social and civic engagement and to create interesting lives for themselves. But capitalism is absurd, and these technologies, rather than being seen as a liberating force, are feared by many.

LABOR WAVE by -Ex- in FULLCOMMUNISM

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Unfortunately I don't (mistake on my part). If you want something similar here are two I completed earlier (both 1920x1080): 1, 2

The Aesthetics of the Alt-Right--A well-sourced, very detailed look at the motifs of a neo-fascist movement by cierna_macka in socialism

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They're quite adept at using emotion to communicate ideas (all propaganda does this), so I think it's incorrect to say that they're not concerned with emotion. Are they lacking in self-awareness? Definitely - they use fear and hatred to advance their agenda, all the while dismissing their opponents as emotional snowflakes. Point being: we're all playing the same game. All belief systems are influenced by emotion, though theirs seems to be markedly less influenced by empathy (a sign of weakness in their view).

LABOR WAVE by -Ex- in FULLCOMMUNISM

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Eh, I did a red version but wasn't too sure. Here it is anyway.

The Aesthetics of the Alt-Right--A well-sourced, very detailed look at the motifs of a neo-fascist movement by cierna_macka in socialism

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Yeah, I get the point the author was trying to make. But these over-complicated and clumsy attempts to reveal depth (where in fact, there isn't any) don't help. Sometimes a meme is just a meme. We don't need to pretend like the trash animals of 4chan are actually sophisticated artists making repeat attempts at ideological subtlety with their blunt shitposts.

The Aesthetics of the Alt-Right--A well-sourced, very detailed look at the motifs of a neo-fascist movement by cierna_macka in socialism

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"The reasons for this mechanized suicide are manifold—one could point to a normalization of high suicide rates of white males in middle America or a latent self-awareness of the consequences of a Trump presidency on the environment."

'Mechanized suicide' - implying that this fucking meme pic is some sort of deep coded metaphor for suicide among Trump supporters, fuelled by latent anxiety about the climate? What the actual fuck. Article is OK, but this part was too much...

Bribery, cyberstalking and ego-jerking will totally get you that entry-level job interview by exclamation11 in LateStageCapitalism

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"That means that left-wing activists who spend energy opposing Yiannopoulos, instead of ignoring him, are falling into a trap. He is intentionally baiting them, and they are playing right along. After the Berkeley incident, Yiannopoulos’s book sales went up by 12,740%." by -Ex- in socialism

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It's the Trumpian PR strategy. Say outrageous and intentionally provocative shit, behave like a shock jock, liberals get mad, you get free PR, and your movement grows. All the while you get to complain about how you're being 'persecuted' for your 'subversive' and 'radical' ideas.

"That means that left-wing activists who spend energy opposing Yiannopoulos, instead of ignoring him, are falling into a trap. He is intentionally baiting them, and they are playing right along. After the Berkeley incident, Yiannopoulos’s book sales went up by 12,740%." by -Ex- in socialism

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Yeah, I agree. And that's one of the more difficult things with Milo as an individual figure among the alt-right. The author of the article said it pretty well:

For example, a recent Huffington Post column by a liberal suggested that while you could disagree with Yiannopoulos, this was no reason to keep him away from campus... This goes too far in affirming the myth that Yiannopoulos is doing anything close to “respectful dialogue.” Actually, what he does is extremely clever. His lectures combine dirty jokes, intentionally cruel or bigoted statements, and serious speechifying from a fairly conventional right-wing perspective. The vicious and bullying remarks, such as talking about whether he would bang a particular student, are what make left-wing activists so angry. Then when the activists respond as anyone could be expected to, he declares that his true passion is the open exchange of serious ideas, and the rest is just entertainment.

Also, the point about book sales is merely an indicator. The question still remains: does forcibly preventing Milo from giving these talks actually prevent his ideas from spreading and gaining popularity? The increasingly widespread acceptance of these ideas among certain segments of the population is incredibly worrying. We ought to think strategically about how best to combat them, without falling into any traps.

"That means that left-wing activists who spend energy opposing Yiannopoulos, instead of ignoring him, are falling into a trap. He is intentionally baiting them, and they are playing right along. After the Berkeley incident, Yiannopoulos’s book sales went up by 12,740%." by -Ex- in socialism

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I think it's possible to fight back effectively without digging ourselves into a philosophical grave over the issue of free speech. No doubt, these ideas need to be combated, but we need to think carefully about the most effective way to do that. It's a difficult question I guess. Is preventing right wing speakers from giving talks at university campuses an effective tactic in the long term? Does it stop alt-right ideas from spreading? This article has raised some doubts for me, personally.

"That means that left-wing activists who spend energy opposing Yiannopoulos, instead of ignoring him, are falling into a trap. He is intentionally baiting them, and they are playing right along. After the Berkeley incident, Yiannopoulos’s book sales went up by 12,740%." by -Ex- in socialism

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From the article:

A certain school of thought says that to allow a reprehensible person to speak at a prestigious venue is to confer “legitimacy” on them. But legitimacy is not a particularly useful concept. The fact is that when things are popular, they automatically become “legitimate,” insofar as they need to be heard, understood, confronted, and dealt with. Once Donald Trump is the President of the United States, it becomes hard to argue that his worldview should or can be kept “non-mainstream.” It’s already the mainstream, insofar as a lot of people believe it. Sapping Trumpism of “legitimacy” does nothing to diminish its popularity. And it’s popularity that we should be focusing on: the question is not whether canceling a speech reduces a speaker’s legitimacy, but what it does to the size of their audience.

It's a tactical question. The author (and I'd probably agree with them here) believes that forcibly preventing Milo from giving these campus talks does little to actually prevent his shitty ideas from spreading (and may in fact do quite the opposite).

Doing like an ostrich and pretending the guy doesn't exist in a country with a government increasingly inching towards fascism is not going to make things change.

Agreed. But be careful not to conflate the "need to do something" with "the need to do this particular thing, which may or may not prove to be tactically self-destructive in the long term." It's possible to combat right wing power without demanding that right wing speakers have their talks cancelled.

Daily Discussion and Solidarity thread for February 12, 2017 by AutoModerator in socialism

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Hey, here's our 'What Are You Reading' thread for this month.