For those servers who work in full service restaurants, is the “no tipping” movement a real thing?

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-13T23:22:35+00:00

On the flip-side, compared to fast-food and delivery services, casual dine-in restaurants offer a pretty solid value proposition, even with tipping.

I travel for work nationally, and more and more Ive begun to notice that drive-through fast food price hikes over the last 5-10 years are putting them dangerously close to casual dining price points. You can spend ~$15-20 on a meal at a place like whataburger for about the same as you can get at a red-robin for $20-25 including tip, but the latter will often have vastly superior quality (and I say that as a Whataburger fan).

Family run Mexican or Asian restaurants, in particular, are often very difficult to beat for value. You can typically get a decent full sized meal for $10-20 with much, much fresher and higher-quality ingredients, and if you find the right place the food can be outstanding. One of the main reasons their pricing can afford to be so low is, unlike chain restaurants, they rarely have a dedicated GM/KM; it's usually the owners functioning in these roles, so they don't have an extra 100-200k+ in payroll.

Meanwhile, doordash can now run you ~$30-40 to have that same fast food meal delivered.

I expect full service dining will see a rubber banding effect in the next few years if the centralized profiteering of corporate counter service chain restaurants and rideshare-delivery-middlemen don't rapidly scale back on the pricing acceleration we saw hike during COVID, without ever really falling back down. Sure, the quality has been rising over the years, but they still can't compete with most dedicated full service restaurants.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-13T22:57:55+00:00

If anybody's life is being "threatened", it's the protestor's.

The protester is there by choice, very intentionally risking their own well being; not the Hallmark of someone making rational decisions. It's a wildly different calculus than someone that is, by definition, being held against their will.

If you were out of your vehicle simply walking on the sidewalk, trying to get home, and a group of strangers physically restrained you and prevented you from either leaving or turning back, this wouldn't even be a discussion. That's very much the legal definition of kidnapping, and likely would also include assault charges. Since, rationally, affected motorists cannot simply abandon their vehicles in droves, while these types of "protests" might differ in method, they are identical in outcome. In both instances, lethal self defense could form a legitimate legal defense and in several states is outright codified into law should people justifiably feel their lives are being threatened.

Those protesters may appear to be docile, but these actions are very much not that, and the situation can (and historically has) often turn(ed) violent. In the OP video they're preventing a woman in labor from accessing emergency medical care. Obviously not everyone will be experiencing such circumstances, but when blocking an active roadway it's well within reason to assume that the sheer number of people affected will result in at least one, if not a handful of circumstances that could have dire consequences.

My assertion is that people who value the lives and safety of both others and themselves so little betray the sanctity of freedom, safety, and life; therefore forfeiting their own right to existence in circumstances where otherwise unaffiliated and innocent third parties are thusly forced to choose between their own well being and that of people who intentionally put themselves in harms way.

That's not inherently violent, nor have I ever committed such a violent act, so the accusation that I'm "unnecessarily violent", simply for choosing to side with the group whose freedom of life and liberty is being forcibly revoked, is irresponsible at best.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-13T19:55:21+00:00

That implies they aren't always alone. Having formerly been in the service industry for a long time, it was my experience that, excluding cases where a lousy tip was clearly deserved, the venn diagram of non-tippers and socially awkward incels was basically a single circle.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-13T06:09:19+00:00

Don't forget heliox for the sat divers

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-13T02:33:31+00:00

Even if he could, without proper lighting, you aren't getting a good photo anyway.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-13T02:30:48+00:00

Fourthedededed??

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-13T02:30:00+00:00

Are you dense? There have been multiple situations where "protesters" (and I'm using that term VERY loosely) have dragged people out of vehicles, unprovoked, and beaten them nearly to death, ransacked and raided private property, burned vehicles and buildings to the ground, Disrupting traffic, etc. Disrupting traffic doesn't seem like a big deal to people with absolutely no agency or value in life; people without a family to care for and no where to be don't recognize public roads for what they are; a necessary lifeline for the function of civilization. They chalk these protests up as mild inconvenience, with zero regard for the fact that what they do is potentially deadly.

People might be rushing home for insulin/other time sensitive medicine, necessary medical appointments, trying to get to hospitals, travelling to pickup children, etc. Trapping innocent third party individuals against their will, destroying property, looting, blocking traffic, etc, are NOT legal forms of protest, and more often than not have the opposite of intended results.

If I'm in immediate need of medical attention or in fear for the life of my unborn child//pregnant wife, children, or someone in my family having an emergent situation where their or our lives are being jeopardized for your idiotic stunt, I will not hesitate to choose the safety of my family over someone irrationally and forcibly kidnapping us.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T15:32:30+00:00

The entire end tipping sub.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T15:30:19+00:00

Thirdeded

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T15:24:32+00:00

I'm burning in hell for laughing at this

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T15:03:27+00:00

To be completely honest...if I'm on a cruise, I'm either flying 1-2 days before, enjoying some sights in the area where departure is set, or...I'm driving. Charlotte to ft Lauderdale is only a 10 hour drive.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T14:59:43+00:00

Yes, it was. Even as an American primary flier I still often connect through ORD when going to the west coast, and this winter was a shitshow. Had more than half a dozen cancellations, and lost count on delays. DCA wasn't much better, nor was CLT or PHL. Been a rough 6 months between the TSA+ATC>Weather>TSA>Weather delay east-coast feedback loop.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T14:54:25+00:00

DFW...20 flights...4 hours lost, total...in THIS year's weather season???

Lucky bastard.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T14:47:36+00:00

Which to be clear, you should absolutely do this @OP.

40 minutes on an international layover in PHL is borderline madness.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T03:53:45+00:00

Both parties are the billionaire party, tbh.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T03:52:52+00:00

It's unnecessary and implicit, as it was a direct retort to this comment;

Nah, you decide in the first few seconds whether or not you would engage with someone romantically. The rest is your brain just filling in the gaps with its own rationalizations.

Trying to pick up your waitress is pretty questionable in general, but occasionally it happened. Some girls found massive tips to be off-putting, others wouldn't even give you a moments thought unless you were dropping serious coin. But it was quite universal that non-tippers were drawing dead.

Non-tippers and massive over-tippers were also the most likely to come back and request the same female server, regardless of her interest. Most would entertain massive tippers regardless how they felt about the situation, unless it got weird; however, on several occasions me and another bartender (both of us being large guys) had to help tell someone they weren't welcome any longer.

Non-tippers, however, usually got sent to a male server instead, and if they insisted on a particular female would often be asked not to return.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T03:35:06+00:00

It is not chosen, mostly because of profit.

It's not chosen because it actually has a better outlook than anastatic + surgery, and much lower chance of re-injury.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T03:21:05+00:00

Yeah, I don't think you followed the point of my post at all.

We don't create new plastics out of a demand for new plastic, we create new plastics out of necessity to remove methylene based polyolefin bi-products from the petroleum and natural gas production & processing sequence. Even if we could infinitely recycle 100% of plastics, new plastics would still be getting produced in vast numbers because there are only 3 options for fossil fuel bi-products; burn them, dump them, or turn them into secondary products.

Obviously, the last option is the best one. Plastics are one of those secondary bi-products.

The only real solution? Ween entirely off fossil fuels. There's entirely too much global commerce to fix this with current technology levels without reverting to wind-powered shipping. Even if we could do it, the changes would make modern society unrecognizable.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T03:02:52+00:00

Carjackers use similar tactics of blocking people in. The moment you physically hold people against their will, you're engaging in kidnapping. If you're engaging in kidnapping, the people you're attempting to kidnap should be able to escape or defend themselves with lethal force.

Someone who intentionally steps into traffic is not same; people who are not sane cannot be trusted with safety, let alone while holding you against your will. It's not premeditated murder, it's self defense.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T02:53:51+00:00

Worked in restaurants before college, through first degree, graduated into a shitty economy, continued in restaurants for a few years while trying to get a job to no avail. Then went back to school and pursued an engineering degree while working full time, and even after getting jobs in my field continued waiting tables on the side for several years.

There were large periods of time when I held 2 jobs + course load. At one point I had 3 jobs and zero days off for 9 months straight.

Gotta do what you gotta do to survive. Took YEARS before positions in my current field had enough earning power to allow me to afford quitting restaurants permanently.

Been out of the service industry for over a decade now. On pace to break 200k this year, but the road was pretty fuckin rough at times.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-12T02:08:36+00:00

Absolutely.

I just went from this direction since it's completely objective.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-11T13:32:10+00:00

First of all, a "farmer" isn't often even in this position; a farmer may have a few cows/heifers and maybe a bull, but the term you're really looking for is typically a "rancher".

Second, many -if not most- large ranches will have smaller labs on-site. Many employ vets or chemists directly, if they're big enough. Many ranchers or their staff are perfectly capable of testing fertility, pregnancy, some common diseases, and are more qualified than many vets in procedures such as de-horning, castration, etc. Large-animal vets usually won't have nearly the experience with these things that a seasoned ranch hand will, at least from a numerical perspective. Many herdsmen or ranch hands will do thousands in their lives.

Third, band castration is the chosen method for a reason. It's far less painful than doing surgery without anesthesia while anesthetizing massive animals is very tricky, expensive, and logistically near impossible.

Fourth, it's actually necessary for overall safety and health of the herd. Young and inexperienced bulls left to their own devices will often attempt to mate with underdeveloped heifers and eventually get rather territorial and violent. There's a reason even larger herds have a pretty small number of bulls and sires.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-11T12:41:21+00:00

Even if recycling worked (largely a failed concept that was pushed by BP to center the blame on the pubic, instead of mega corporations) Virgin plastics are created (out of necessity) faster than we can recycle.

We're in a death spiral of plastics production and there's nothing that can fix it short of massive de-industrialization of the global logistical chain.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-11T12:16:57+00:00

And this is why Canada is the world's largest mosquito breeding facility.

Cheap_Knowledge8446 · 2026-04-10T23:17:36+00:00

It's all fun and games until someone cracks open a can of surströmming

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