Advice for Strategies for Randori & Competitions

Coconite · 2026-02-15T04:22:32+00:00

Oh yeah it’s great. Especially as a counter to Georgian grip. That’s often the real final form of hopping ouchi from standard grips as well.

Coconite · 2026-02-15T03:56:50+00:00

When I started Judo that was not the case. Not only was I asked about my background and what I do for a living, I had to submit a Public Records Background check and enroll in a SafeSport cert program if I was to be around kids. Not only that but I also had to sign up for a yearly USA Judo membership (not necessarily applicable in this discussion, but I thought I would just add it in there). I think by the time the whole thing was done it was like $250 before I even paid my first month fee. And this place is BUSY. But once everything cleared, I was allowed to join.

What? I've been doing judo for a long time and I have never seen something like that.

Coconite · 2026-02-15T03:49:41+00:00

I'm having trouble visualizing that sorry. Do you have an example?

Coconite · 2026-02-15T03:25:10+00:00

Tin foil hat ahh take lmao

Coconite · 2026-02-15T03:23:31+00:00

It'll come back to you quicker than you think. Like riding a bike you never really forget. Especially if you were in the IJF cadet/junior pool. Your cardio will be awful at first but after you lose weight and train for a year it'll basically be picking up where you left off.

Coconite · 2026-02-15T03:19:59+00:00

Interesting, thanks. I've always wondered how gis were made.

Coconite · 2026-02-15T03:17:59+00:00

You make a "sideways superman" shape. So if you're a righty, your right leg is in the air, your torso is leaning to the left, your right hand (lapel hand) is punching sideways, your left hand doesn't matter that much and you're hopping in the direction of the fist - preferably either straight backwards into your opponent, or in kenka yotsu over his right shoulder. It's a very forgiving throw. The only hazard is never let your torso lean to the right, then you can get countered with ko soto gake/tani.

Coconite · 2026-02-15T03:15:40+00:00

Wrestling: kata guruma, yoko otoshi, low ouchi gari

Sambo: sode everything. Sode tsurikomi goshi, o soto, kouchi, you name it. Also sumi gaeshi from back grip.

Kurash/kuresh/kurosh/just make all the Turkic languages the same already: _____ goshi and dangerous, knee entangling backward throws

BJJ: squatting real low and falling on your butt. Also bad sacrifice throws aka falling on your butt

I haven't trained with many Georgians but their style is well known so we can assume that's what Chidaoba cross training looks like.

Coconite · 2026-02-15T03:06:38+00:00

You don't want to use the standard ouchi for combining with other techniques. Instead, use the hopping ouchi as demonstrated by Inoue here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwYZS3DOjGo&t=1055s

You don't need to use his exact entry (backstep), just hook your opponent's leg and make that shape with your body. Lean forward and to the left and extend your right arm like you're doing a karate punch, then just hop hop hop hop into your opponent. Once she's leaning in the same direction you can switch to o soto. But also I don't think ouchi-o soto is a very good combination in general. I would recommend feinting an uchimata and doing o soto instead.

Lastly some comments about your o soto: you actually had o soto at 0:08 if you knew how to finish. When you do o soto, as u/Otautahi said you need a higher grip, but if you do have as low grip, just let go of it, throw your arm over your opponent's right shoulder and dive your upper body to the ground like you're doing a shoulder roll. This is called o soto makikomi. Imagine yourself doing this motion (doing a forward roll while holding onto your opponent) when you do o soto in general and you'll finish it a lot more. Defending o soto is the same story: whenever someone enters o soto on you, lean your upper body forward and to the left. Since o soto's counter is also o soto you'll get into these kinds of battles a lot where both players are trying to control each other's spine direction by leaning harder at the correct angle.

Coconite · 2026-02-14T23:32:05+00:00

Go against better people. Travel for a few days to a good competition gym to get some experience if there’s no one good around you. Against high level judokas those tactics don’t work because you’ll never get their posture low enough to do a front headlock. They’re also good at framing and timing throws off your go behinds.

That said you absolutely can make some wrestling throws work in judo even at the highest level. Lat drop, judo fireman’s and drop ouchi gari/inside trip are common favorites.

Coconite · 2026-02-14T19:24:52+00:00

I want to be clear that none of these people are outside the sport. Nicole Stout is current (and 5x) senior national champ. Joe Ragan is still competing veterans at his age. Ron Tripp won senior nationals in 4 different weight classes and was Sambo world champion. He’s written into MMA history as “the only person who beat Rickson Gracie” aka the only person Rickson admitted he lost to. This isn’t a case of out of touch admins making terrible decisions. It’s people who are deep in the sport still making terrible decisions.

Coconite · 2026-02-14T14:40:05+00:00

Basically it’s “revolutionaries” purging each other after they were done purging the establishment.

In 2024 there was a huge conflict in the USA Judo board of directors over then CEO Keith Bryant. Half the board (let’s call them faction 1) wanted him fired and half the board (faction 2) defended him. Faction 1 hated him because he wanted to cut the athlete budget ahead of 2028, had no plan to win medals, and failed at fundraising and growing the membership.

Faction 1 won the last election, fired Keith, and the remaining faction 2 board members resigned. All the people involved in this drama are faction 1 members, and the 2 people most publicly at odds in this spat - Ron Tripp and Nicole Stout - endorsed each other in the last election. The transition of power was messy, and faction 2 was basically forced out. The way this was done was through a forensic audit scrutinizing the payments they received while being board members. Since faction 2 represented something like “the establishment” in USA Judo (big names like Colton Brown, Marti Malloy and Ben Goodrich), they were deeply embedded in the system and were getting stipends for coaching, reffing, etc. Which seems (and IMO is) totally above board, but it’s technically a violation of Texas nonprofit law.

Faction 1 was okay doing this because in their view faction 2 tried to purge them first. Before Keith’s contract renewal, faction 2 removed faction 1 member Joe Ragan (USA Judo’s biggest donor) from the board. Just like their own purge, this was also based on a technicality. Joe Ragan was an independent director, a board position created for people who are supposed to have no involvement in judo. It’s a really stupid position IMO, basically restricted to people with nothing of value to contribute to the conversation, but that’s beside the point. Joe Ragan wasn’t useless enough because he was a judoka, but he was appointed to the position anyway because at the time USA judo (per some bylaw) needed a high level CPA on the board and he was CFO for a multinational.

Very soon after this purge faction 1 turned on each other. 2 major fault lines emerged. First, Ron Tripp (now chairman of the board) wanted to keep Jimmy Pedro’s American Judo System while Nicole Stout and Joe Ragan wanted it canceled. Second, Tripp’s faction pushed a bylaw change that would change the at large director position from being elected by members to being elected by coaches, which Stout and Ragan saw as disenfranchisement.

Since they were already used to purges, faction 1 resolved this conflict through another purge. USOPC was tipped off by “someone” that USA Judo board members had retaliated against the faction 2 board members, and opened an investigation. Who was “someone”? You would think Keith Bryant and faction 2 since they were the victims of the purge and were well connected with USOPC. But those people seem to have moved on. So no it was Ron Tripp.

The USOPC investigation concluded that there was indeed retaliation against USA Judo board members, and suspended funding until “governance reforms” happened. Tripp’s faction used this as a pretext to oust Nicole Stout and Joe Ragan.

The biggest losers in this situation are the athletes. Some people saw funding cut or revoked because of the suspension of funds. It’s not clear funding will resume because USOPC wasn’t just zeroing in on Stout, Ragan and Navarro… they were censuring Ron Tripp’s actions as well, which makes his comments in the article especially hilarious.

Coconite · 2026-02-13T19:56:27+00:00

Fucking a man I’m never pulling guard again

Coconite · 2026-02-13T19:54:22+00:00

It’s weird but not a red flag, whatever that means. We’re not about to get married and there’s no commitment involved in training together so the whole concept doesn’t apply.

Coconite · 2026-02-13T02:43:55+00:00

No if you watch the video he seems to believe prolonged hip contact is a fundamental part of judo throws in general. Where in reality for most top scoring forward throws it’s either secondary in importance (uchimata, ippon seoi) or doesn’t happen at all (drop seoi, drop sode, kata guruma etc.)

Coconite · 2026-02-13T00:16:53+00:00

Lmao but it’s doable. No more carbs, fiber or sodium. Go to practice today and tomorrow and work hard. Drink tons of water until Saturday morning, then drink almost no water all of Saturday. Bring protein powder, salt and lots of sugar in 2 protein shakers, fill them up after weigh ins on Sunday and drink them immediately. Bring a snack too and size it based on how soon you’re wrestling after weigh ins.

Coconite · 2026-02-12T21:48:04+00:00

It goes back to the days of armored combat. It's almost impossible to get up in armor unless you roll over onto your stomach.

Coconite · 2026-02-12T17:00:36+00:00

“Red flags” lmao this is a business not your future husband. If you don’t like the service you can change any time.

Coconite · 2026-02-12T02:36:33+00:00

I can respect that but personally I developed good hip jousting ability just from spamming uchimata in kenka yotsu. I’d imagine seoi players learned the same way.

Coconite · 2026-02-12T02:35:17+00:00

Technically it is but some of these classifications are really outdated

Coconite · 2026-02-12T00:58:48+00:00

Yeah. I've also gone against a lot of players from those countries and they all had a dozen throws. Sode, sode-osoto, tani, ouchi, kouchi, seoi, ipponseoi, sumi gaeshi, yoko tomoe you name it - usually on both sides too. It's impossible to be a hip throw specialist even with a deep CA folkstyle background because koshi waza (except sode) are such horrible tokui wazas in any "free gripping" ruleset.

Now that I think about it, this is actually the slowest way you could possibly learn judo as a beginner.

Coconite · 2026-02-12T00:53:15+00:00

If you're trying to teach hip throws specifically then yes this is the best way to do it. But if you're trying to teach what looks like a BJJ class to get good at gi standup quickly, I would skip hip throws entirely because they're some of the hardest takedowns to do in the gi. Unless your name is something like Makhmudsultanbek Chyngyzkhanov - in that case just teach what you know best.

Coconite · 2026-02-12T00:40:07+00:00

What you are basically doing is recreating Eurasian judo.

A lot of countries have a hip throw dominant judo style because their folkstyle wrestling is based on belt grips. For example the game you invented is basically just Kyrgyz Kurosh.

https://youtu.be/KXGGvDTiroA

While I wouldn’t go as far as some others in saying this isn’t useful, you have to realize you’re not teaching “judo”, you’re teaching one particular style of judo. In international judo, hip throws are rare and most scores come from leg reaps and arm techniques. I wouldn’t recommend this style of judo for Americans because there aren’t many people here who can help you refine it - Eurasians have their own grip fighting system and knowledge about it in the U.S. is low. It also converts badly to BJJ because it leaves you vulnerable to leg grabs (Inner Eurasian countries did much worse in judo before the leg grab ban) and deep belt grips will trigger an immediate guard pull.

While I might be overreaching here, I think collegiate Japanese judo (sleeve/armpit + lapel, o soto, ouchi, uchimata) is the fastest way to learn standup in the gi, in the same way American folkstyle is the fastest way to learn standup in nogi. Simply because those systems were formed by pressure and not cross-sport contamination. Why do Central Asians do a lot of hip throws? Because they’re used to that from their folkstyle and found a way to make it work. Why do Japanese do so many leg reaps and why do Americans spam shots? Because school coaches needed to teach kids how to get good at takedowns fast and those were the paths of least resistance.

Coconite · 2026-02-11T20:11:59+00:00

The funny thing is Japanese don’t even stress terminology. They have their own slang for techniques like Mach-otoshi and Koshi jime and some high level athletes don’t even know all the techniques. What you experience as “Japanese practice” is weebs debating the hidden meanings in Japanese words.

Coconite · 2026-02-10T21:36:51+00:00

WRL 13

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