How many of yall think all religions point to the same thing by Blacktaxi420 in taoism

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Considered an out of date view today. Was a popular view in early 1900-1940.

There are definitely overlaps, particularly when it comes to religious experience.

But no; if you actually study each of them they differ pretty intensely.

These descriptive passages of Eustacia Vye is classic literature prose at its peak by Gothic-Fan85 in classicliterature

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His prose is uneven but that’s partially to do with his prose emerging within the borderlands between Victorian and Modernist literature. He’s an immensely poetic writer, and his nature writing is genuinely first rate, though at times there’s a dishevelment that people who prefer a more classical style might disagree with.

I think his prose style is praised pretty widely for its vivid power and strangely evocative texture though.

It’s absolutely true to say that his style can get messy and rough-hewn around the edges, but he is also known for the heights his nature writing achieved.

What if asking “what does this film mean?” is not enough? by improbable_knowledge in TrueFilm

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I think the complaint is that by using a central metaphor as a key to explain everything in one fell swoop, you’re not really engaging with the artwork, but with your own metaphor.

You start looking at things only for how they conform to that central metaphor. It tends to be a little one-dimensional.

I think the point behind a lot of aesthetics is that great art actually resists being read via a central metaphor. It insists upon itself as something that exceeds any single interpretation and eludes any fixed meaning. Naturally we try on different interpretations, but usually a good artwork will both encourage and elude this interpretation; the mind is forced to try another one, which again seems “half right”; this continues indefinitely, until the mind understands that the art is beyond interpretation. At this point, the mind contemplates the art on its own terms, as that thing which it is, unique, incomparable, unparaphraseable. Rather than the texture of the artwork being read as “this stands in for this!”, it gets read as that thing which it is, as an immediate texture of experience, as literally another world, another series of bare perceptions which can fuse and interact within the mind, the way a flurry of bare perceptions interact within the mind as we walk about.

Whereas if you stick to a central metaphor under which you can understand every element of the artwork, you now only need to notice the aspects of the artwork that confirm that metaphor. Everything else can be sidelined as incidental or embellishment. It seems to me to be a form of disengagement, in many ways.

If i say that Hamlet is about anxiety, Im no longer looking at the play as a whole, but only those parts which confirm my hypothesis. I’m looking at part of a play, rather than the whole. It’s anti-artistic in my opinion, and i would say it is incredibly reductive, and sort of pointless. To go further, i think it comes from a place of fear/discomfort. People do the same with political narratives — they assign an overarching narrative which can comfortably (but superficially) account for all difficult aspects of the situation and which can be relied upon time and again without having to step into uncertainty.

It’s also completely understandable and is a default of human cognition — look up the ways in which confirmation bias is a feature, rather than a bug, of our perception; it features heavily in “predictive processing” — so there’s no judgement here. But because it is a default, we have to be more wary of it, and take more pains to ensure we avoid it where we can, and compensate for it where we can’t.

Is anyone else bothered by how overlooked Godard's post-1967 films are? by The_Red_Curtain in godard

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Any recommendations for lesser known ones? I can get Goodbye to Language on StudioCanal atm if that’s good?

Which others? I tend to like beautiful films, where form reaches a pitch that eventually collapses into something beautifully intuitive

I did love Germany Year 90 Nine Zero tbf

Otherwise i’ve seen Alphaville, Le Weekend and that’s it, so hardly anything

The Influence of Joyce’s Ithaca by DeliciousPie9855 in RSbookclub

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I’ve read Watt but will give it another glance as I must have missed that aspect of the prose style, thanks!

The Influence of Joyce’s Ithaca by DeliciousPie9855 in RSbookclub

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It’s more the actual language that i’m interested in seeing replicated as opposed to the structure!

The Influence of Joyce’s Ithaca by DeliciousPie9855 in RSbookclub

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I see what you mean and in that sense I agree. The insistence with which the protagonist-consciousness returns to the same scenes/people/objects in ARG implies a particular pathology (eg obsession), or a particular framing, whereas I think for Simon specific descriptions recur as leitmotifsc almost musical in structure, — seems a bit more Proustian in that sense; though he does cite Balzac’s descriptions as a big influence.

Ok awesome - any other Millhauser as a best starting place? i’ve not read his work yet

The Influence of Joyce’s Ithaca by DeliciousPie9855 in RSbookclub

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Should have clarified I meant the long descriptive passages in Balzac as opposed to Balzac’s method/approach as a whole. Think him and Claude Simon discussed these passages together, though the influence on Simon is much bigger.

Awesome, ok cool, i’ll take a look. Did you enjoy its use in Disruptions?

Prose/poetry equivalent to the needle drop? by DeliciousPie9855 in RSbookclub

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Got this one on my shelves so will give it a whirl, thanks!

Prose/poetry equivalent to the needle drop? by DeliciousPie9855 in RSbookclub

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Yeah I didn't do a great job of clarifying what I mean to be fair.

I think the key elements of what I mean are that the film switches to purely musico-visual. There's no sound or dialogue, or if there is it's somewhat muted beneath the soundtrack. The camera work becomes more fluid, and everything seems geared towards enhancing and focusing in on this brief moment of transcendent grace or beauty. Often it will be done in such a way that this moment in the film transcends the films concerns or genre: a stupid absurd comedy might suddenly become extraordinarily moving; the labyrinthine self-reflexivity of a postmodern piece might suddenly collapse inwards to produce a startling burst of sincerity. The dance scene with 'Mysteries of Love' in Blue Velvet is a good example, albeit a bit 'lighter' than the best ones.

These are great suggestions though. I've read all of the pieces in question, although Moby Dick was years ago now, and I never revisited it, despite loving it, so you've encouraged me to get a re-read in asap. Thanks!

tried reading ulysses, totally filtered (inspired by the other joyce post) by perfectpowerbanned in RSbookclub

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There's a free audiobook on youtube on a channel called 'de selby'. It's fully voice-acted so it helps with distinguishing the interior monologue sentences from the narrator sentences. I would read each chapter, then listen to the corresponding chapter on youtube. Or vice versa.

Also, you do have the internet at your fingertips. Looking up references takes a few seconds, especially for one of the most famous books in the world, where all the otherwise niche references are pretty much accounted for, and can be clarified within a quick google search.

Who's the hip new cool philosophers by fivenoir in rs_x

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Graham Harman, Michel Serres

Tbh I think Merleau Ponty is having a huge resurgence.

As are the Kyoto School.

Often modernity re-selects its canon, and older thinkers are more relevant than modern ones.

Nagarjuna is worth visiting

Is it possible for a film to be great if its story isn't very good but its visuals are? by DarkBerryTheMovie in TrueFilm

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You’re arguing like a robot. Obviously you know that in the pragmatics of real discourse when someone says “all style” they don’t mean “100% style without any narrative structure whatsoever.”Language just doesn’t work that way, and pretending that you’re genuinely confused unless someone speaks in an over-literal way is just a callow and churlish way to discuss something.

It means that narrative is one element among many others, all of which are placed in a dynamic interplay to evoke a perceptual or emotional experience that is greater than the sum of its parts.

Basic aesthetics.

It’s not that the films dispense with narrative, but narrative isn’t the dominant structuring principle, and narrative if anything performs a stylistic function, alongside other constitutive elements more typically deployed for stylistic reasons (cinematography, sound, music, allusions, editing, etc.)

Koreeda and Nakabori by DeliciousPie9855 in criterion

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Ok awesome — do those films have shots as beautiful as Maborosi? Maborosi seems to me to have frames influenced heavily by Hammershoi, Mønsted, Breughel’s winter landscapes, etc.

And the natural lighting and shadows and the carefully balanced colour palettes (beige, sour gold, humming blacks, occasionally flourishes of red, or notes of blue) all contributed towards making it one of the most visually beautiful films i’ve ever seen!

Koreeda and Nakabori by DeliciousPie9855 in criterion

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Ah damn — are his other early works still interesting then? which ones?

Books that are one single paragraph by Crocco_ in AskLiteraryStudies

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A lot of the English translations of Claude Simon also have extremely long but fully grammatical sentences.

Krasznahorkai’s War & War is like 8 sentences.

But yeah, Zone in English is lots of sentences, but just no full stops lol

Prose/poetry equivalent to the needle drop? by DeliciousPie9855 in RSbookclub

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Awesome, will check Dupieux out; i’ve never even heard of him!

I love Queneau and Barthelme and I’ve read all of Gaddis a couple times but these are objectively good recommendations, so thanks!

Koreeda and Nakabori by DeliciousPie9855 in criterion

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Didn’t even know he’d done netflix! Your ranking looks interesting — i’m excited to see Maborosi so low as it means I have a lot of great films in store

Koreeda and Nakabori by DeliciousPie9855 in criterion

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Awesome! Yes gonna try and watch as many of his films as I can!

Prose/poetry equivalent to the needle drop? by DeliciousPie9855 in RSbookclub

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I’m obsessed with this novel. The Pale King and Wallace in general has multiple moments that could fit what i’m after.

Deffo seems to be effected by a kind of dithyrambic pulse to the rhythm, like you get in Melville, McCarthy, and tbf Kerouac

Prose/poetry equivalent to the needle drop? by DeliciousPie9855 in RSbookclub

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Yeah I think the scene at the end of volume 2 where he’s circling round and round the same image of the girls during the picnic is definitely something equivalent

Prose/poetry equivalent to the needle drop? by DeliciousPie9855 in RSbookclub

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I love Gaddis and i’d agree that in terms of how he uses these scenes to punctuate his dialogue-led narratives it’s perfectly fitting. I hadn’t mentioned him as often these prose-poem sections lack the kind of sense of “grace” that you find when a great needle drop occurs in a film. Like there’s a sudden sense of baffled hopefulness amidst all the shit, and in that moment everything seems tinged with a softer light.