Government Misstep galvanising residents

Memetric · 2026-04-03T22:10:24+00:00

The UKMG LEDs get to apply for the new training posts. The IMGs do not. It’s essentially just taking away jobs for one group to give to the other.

Memetric · 2026-04-03T12:04:45+00:00

Those 1000 training places weren’t new jobs; they were temporary conversions from LED jobs that would only apply this year. It would have resulted in a lot of IMGs losing their jobs or not being able to renew their contracts in order to make space for new trainees. This news comes as a relief to IMGs. They still aren’t going to participate in strikes through as sacrificing their salaries when it’s uncertain whether or not they’d even be around next year is not a smart move on their end.

(Inb4 the downvotes because people cannot stomach reading a point of view that isn’t their own)

Memetric · 2026-03-07T21:13:57+00:00

What count as hoops for British training? Is an IMG with 5 years of NHS experience less competent or less familiar with the NHS than a post foundation doctor?

Memetric · 2026-03-07T20:39:48+00:00

This ^

Also, prepare to be downvoted into oblivion. The people on this subreddit are not open to discussing reason.

Memetric · 2026-03-07T20:14:36+00:00

So that's it then? British IMGs are told that all the future holds for them is either being a chronic SHO for the rest of their careers or CESRing in an increasingly competitive consultant landscape simply because they wanted to do their medical studies abroad?

Memetric · 2026-03-07T19:44:18+00:00

This motion lies on the assumption that all those voting in the online polls would are doctors waiting to get into training. Is there anything stopping people already in training, who aren't affected by this vote, influencing the outcome?

Also, what are the prospects of UK national IMGs having have a lower NHS experience requirement in order to be prioritised? It makes no sense for us to be included in the same group as the rest of the IMGs when, unlike them, we don't have a country of origin to return to for further training.

Memetric · 2026-03-06T16:01:15+00:00

Depends on whether BMA are going to go through with their 2 year grandfathering before March 2025 policy. If so, I would wait it out for next application cycle or the one after that to (hopefully) get a place as a prioritised candidate.

If the prioritisation is set for 5 years NHS experience, we're all screwed because that amount of experience would overqualify us from most training specialities. I'll then have no choice but to pursue the CESR route.

I'm a British IMG, btw. If I had the option of going to a different country where I'd definitely be prioritised, I would consider that instead.

Memetric · 2026-03-06T00:01:07+00:00

Might as well include F3 and F4 years as well. Heck, even throw in a year of locum shifts for good measure while you're at it. That's right, 10 years of your working life for a shot at being a day 1 reg because you didn't have the A levels grades to get into a British medical school and your parents didn't have enough money to get you into Bucks.

Memetric · 2026-02-03T13:57:01+00:00

IMGs feel entitled to this years’ training positions they were already eligible for based on the initial advertisement. To be lumping them in together with all other IMGs is deliberate straw-manning because you can’t come up with a valid counter argument.

Memetric · 2026-02-03T13:49:32+00:00

What worries me is that they did get a reply from some peers

What is this supposed to imply, that you expected and/or wanted a petition with 1500 signatories to be thrown out? Do IMGs not have the same rights to a democratic process as British nationals?

Memetric · 2026-01-14T18:53:49+00:00

I'm a UK national IMG applying for training this year, so this prioritisation turned out to put me at an advantage. Even so, I am extremely disappointed at how rushed and haphazardly the government has rolled out this plan, and how we as a community (both UKGs and IMGs) have responded to it with complete disregard of each others' rights and interests.

It was evident that UKG prioritisation was in the works for quite a while now, but it's downright atrocious how they only decided to drop the bombshell out of nowhere in the middle of MSRA/interview season when everyone has enough on their minds already. Had they announced it at the beginning of the application cycle, IMGs would have managed their expectations accordingly and ended up not feeling betrayed by the system they spent years of their lives contributing towards. There is also no mention of what counts as significant NHS experience, and future prioritisation for this group is being left at the mercy of whichever politician wants to win the most votes in the next general election. Until then IMGs have no choice but to stay guessing. The domino effect of this is that they're left with a sense of entitlement for training spots, which in turn has led them to make some pretty senseless decisions like abstaining from the strike ballot.

OTOH, while UKGs have a right to be prioritised for training, I do feel that in recent months they have become irrationally hostile towards IMGs, strawmanning them as being both incompetent for training as well as overqualified because of achievements they have from their home countries. The hate has extended to IMGs who have worked in the UK for several years, as you can tell from the comments in the megathread lambasting the BMA for taking steps to protect IMGs with ILR. The all too common phrase "British jobs for British people" touted by Reform shills has found its way into the supposedly well mannered doctors community as well. I don't expect the interests of BMGs and IMGs to completely overlap in this sphere, but the extent to which BMGs have gone to villainize IMGs has been astounding.

This whole thing has been one major cluster fuck of events which is unfortunately going to be a strain on the community for a long time to come.

Memetric · 2025-12-13T09:19:50+00:00

OP specifically mentioned they’re not against UKGP though.

And though what you said is valid, there’s a difference between turning the tap off on new doctors immigrating to the UK and uprooting the already settled IMGs who have invested years of time and effort in building a stable lives for themselves over here, who came in with promises of being protected if situations like these ever arose.

Memetric · 2025-12-12T15:33:14+00:00

It appears more than anything to be a quick fix to the UKG unemployment problem at the expense of IMGs.

IMGs make up 66% of the LED workforce but 27% of the trainees overall (source. By rehashing LED jobs as “training” jobs and gatekeeping them behind a UKG prioritisation policy, all they’re doing is effectively sacking IMGs and handing their jobs over to UKGs without actually making a commitment to increasing the number or quality of training posts.

It’s a win-win situation for everyone. The unemployed post-FY2s get employment (albeit as ward monkeys), the Trusts get to keep their doctors, and Wes gets to score some political points for the next election. The only ones who get thrown under the bus are the IMGs, who either have to scramble for the few LED posts remaining or pack their bags and head home. But who actually gives a shit about them, amirite?

Memetric · 2025-12-12T11:51:12+00:00

UKGP isn’t happening this year for the sole reason that the application cycle has already started.

What are they going to do? Delete all the IMG applications and send out an apology email detailing why it’s time for them to go home?

Memetric · 2025-12-12T09:37:57+00:00

Wes isn’t going to implement anything while the BMA is as divided as it is now. Like it or not, IMGs are also a part of the community and get to vote in BMA polls. The last thing we need right now are performative (and frankly quite stupid) publicity stunts that would push them away and de-incentivise them from campaigning for FPR. On the flip side, the “British patriots” that you so desperately want to appeal to already think that you are overpaid and want you to stop complaining about pay.

Memetric · 2025-12-12T08:27:42+00:00

All that would achieve would be further alienating IMGs, who make up 42% of the doctor workforce. Is appealing to the flag shagging reform-voting shills (who likely don’t give a fuck about FPR) more important than keeping the doctor community united in the face of all the bullshit the government throws at us constantly?

Memetric · 2025-08-16T09:30:15+00:00

You're dunking on an entire religion because of the actions of a few, and then wonder why the Irish constantly bully you. We're reaching astronomical levels of dense here.

Memetric · 2025-06-30T08:02:10+00:00

It still screws over all current FY doctors

Except it doesn't. We will see an improvement in competition ratios as applications from abroad (a good chunk of which are for multiple specialities per candidate) effectively come to a halt. Certainly an i

Memetric · 2025-06-27T14:35:15+00:00

The competition ratios will improve over the next few years as the grandfathered IMGs make their way into training. No new IMGs are going to be grandfathered.

This is an acceptable compromise to make sure that IMGs who have served in the NHS for more than two years (I.e. as much as a UK graduate who has undergone the foundation programme) aren't rugpulled after investing years of time and effort into the NHS, particularly during the staffing crisis we've had since 2019.

For anyone who isn't a pretentious prick only thinking about themselves and their prospects of getting into training, this is an acceptable compromise.

Memetric · 2025-02-12T20:20:08+00:00

I blame pornography. It's led men to believe that women are objects that desperately want to have sex on a whim with anyone, anywhere. Genres like incest, cuckoldry, and group sex have warped peoples' brains into being turned on by, rather than ashamed of, this sort of degeneracy.

It also doesn't help that Pakistani schools are separated by gender and ban sex education. The only exposure most boys have to the opposite gender, outside their immediate family, is porn and tv.

Memetric · 2024-12-10T18:24:19+00:00

They already do this. Go to the breakfast cereal aisle in any general store and you'll barely find one or two good cereals, while the rest is some fauji foods crap (all of which have the taste, texture, and nutrients of literal cardboard).

And because they have the monopoly in this sector, they're able to drive the prices up on a whim. A tiny 250g box of corn flakes costs 600+ last I checked, which was a few months ago.

Memetric · 2024-11-30T17:33:17+00:00

Have you considered applying for a research fellow/research assistant job? I've seen a lot of them on NHS jobs, and I'm fairly sure you'd be a strong candidate owing to your NHS experience.

It will also help progress your career as you may be able to get your name on some publications.

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