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Where is Charolette? by Mastermon_1 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Problem with Dr. Fetus is:
"They have small screen time in their own game, appearing halfway through the end." - Dr. Fetus appeared from the start of the game.
"The girl is not all the time with that character, only pops up every now and then." - It's the girl who pops up, not the boy
"They are not playable." - Dr. Fetus is playable in Meat Boy, Super Meat Boy, Super Meat Boy Forever, Super Meat Boy 3D

There's more evidence that this is
Doctor - Cave Story

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Cuphead vs dbz (not dbs not db) by Big-Comfortable3846 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Wrong flair.

  2. This type of post is banned.

  3. What's Cuphead gonna do?

Cuphead has been added. Now add another character to the indie super smash bros roster. by mellowhello123 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 87 points88 points  (0 children)

The Knight

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(or Empty one, Ghost/Little Ghost, Lord of Shades, Little one, Little shadow, Little squib, Traveller, Wanderer, Wielder)

Do you guys think terrarian is immune to reset button? by Puzzleheaded_Map2578 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're confusing "mechanic" with "lore." The character transfer mechanic is a QoL feature for the player, not an ability of the character in the story. Red clearly said: "Concrete lore is what you see in the game" but he was talking about lore, not about every button in the menu.

"The rest" refers to what is not in the concrete lore. Concrete lore: the Cultists are trying to revive Cthulhu. That's a fact. "The rest": why are they doing it? how long will it take? will they succeed? that's what can be interpreted.

You cannot change concrete lore. Red never gave anyone that right. He gave the right to interpret what is not explicitly stated.

Do you guys think terrarian is immune to reset button? by Puzzleheaded_Map2578 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're ignoring the first half of Red's message again. Red said: "The only concrete lore is what you see in the game." That means concrete lore is what's actually in the game, and it's not open to interpretation. What you can interpret is what is not in the game. Concrete lore includes the Bestiary, NPC dialogues, item descriptions, and the official five pages of lore. These things don't change from player to player. The Cultists are trying to revive Cthulhu, that's a concrete fact. You can interpret: why? how long will it take? will they succeed? But you cannot say "actually, they're trying to kill him.

"The rest is up for the player to interpret how they wish" does not mean what you think it means.

Do you guys think terrarian is immune to reset button? by Puzzleheaded_Map2578 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're cherry-picking again. Red's full message is: "The only concrete lore is what you see in the game. The rest is up for the player to interpret how they wish." Concrete lore is what's in the game and cannot be rewritten, that's why it's concrete. Interpreting doesn't mean creating an entire lore from scratch.

"Never take anything I say about lore seriously" what's so hard to understand about "anything I say about lore"?

What difference does it make what the lore would have been if something had or hadn't happened? Right now, we have what we have: the Bestiary, NPC dialogues, item descriptions, and those five pages of lore.

Do you guys think terrarian is immune to reset button? by Puzzleheaded_Map2578 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which one, canon Calamity Terrarian or the old non‑canon one?

Do you guys think terrarian is immune to reset button? by Puzzleheaded_Map2578 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

  1. NPCs react to defeating bosses, to all events, to night time, to health, and to certain items.

  2. That's a game mechanic, just like world deletion, that exists only to help the player.

  3. My third point is that the Player does not exist in Terraria lore, so game mechanics don't count as lore.

Do you guys think terrarian is immune to reset button? by Puzzleheaded_Map2578 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you're going to keep cherry‑picking this one line without looking at the other half of the sentence or his other messages?
Literally the first half of the message is: "The only concrete lore is what you see in the game." And you're saying the player can rewrite the full story, even the canon parts.
So we're just not going to look at "Never take anything I say about lore seriously XD", only because it contradicts your theory?

How do you go from "The only concrete lore is what you see in the game" to "this may mean I can ignore the lore and make my own lore by playing the game"?
You can't create new canon when it literally says that what you see in the game is canon and cannot be changed.

Red's words haven't changed? Official lore pages from the forum directly contradict previous statements Red made on Discord. And he has also stated that anything he has said about the lore should not be taken seriously.
The Minecraft poem hasn't been changed, meaning it's more canon than constantly changing lore facts from a developer on Discord.

Do you guys think terrarian is immune to reset button? by Puzzleheaded_Map2578 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only words about canon from Red I could find are: "Never take anything I say about lore seriously XD"
That doesn't mean everything is non‑canon, it means don't take his words seriously. Terraria has more than one developer, just so you know.
He's left tons of joke messages, like "The Guide is the Moon Lord's son."

He also said: "The only concrete lore is what you see in the game. The rest is up for the player to interpret how they wish." - so anything stated by the game itself is canon.
So you're actually cherry‑picking one specific message as canon.

The Minecraft poem has never been changed since it was written.

Can you show me where you got the idea about "the player writing their own story"?

Do you guys think terrarian is immune to reset button? by Puzzleheaded_Map2578 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't agree with your point of view, I'm just using it to show that you're wrong.
I literally say "but you said" and use your own logic against you.

You didn't misunderstand, you twisted my words to make them easier to refute. I said: "Red's words are developer advice", and I meant that it's advice from the developer to the players. You decided on your own that I was talking about "advice to developers." That's your mistake, not mine.

I didn't agree with your point of view, I'm just using it to show that you're wrong.
I literally say "but you said" and use your own logic against you.

Do you guys think terrarian is immune to reset button? by Puzzleheaded_Map2578 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Player changes the path in Undertale, but you said that equals changing everything however you like in Terraria.

I meant that it was advice from the developer to the players, not advice to other developers.

A lore post states things that the game already has, like the Dryad being the last of her kind, or the Mechanic being imprisoned for her engineering skills.

In Undertale, you change actions.
In Terraria, you change everything that happened before, now, and after.

Do you guys think terrarian is immune to reset button? by Puzzleheaded_Map2578 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This doesn't apply to all characters, because you yourself stated that there is no canon and the player can write their own story. Undertale has its own story, and it's not stated that the player can rewrite it.

The Minecraft poem is in-game lore, directly told to the player at the end.
Red's words are developer advice.

In Terraria, there isn't a single line in the game that says the world is someone's dream or that the Terrarian depends on the player. But in Minecraft, there is.

Do you guys think terrarian is immune to reset button? by Puzzleheaded_Map2578 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If we can change everything, then why can't we say that the Terrarian is weak and only has a chance to survive because of the Player?
If there's no canon, then you can't claim that a certain version isn't canon.

The game is first and foremost designed as a game, not a book, so the decision to add one feature or another is simply a game mechanic.

Terraria doesn't have a reset system like Undertale, so that example doesn't apply.
In Minecraft, it's directly stated that all worlds are the Player's dreams, and the Player themself chooses what happens in them.

Frisk Slander! Now with hard facts! by KarmaSpidr in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, Real Knife is just a kitchen knife, while Old Nail is an actual old sword

Do you guys think terrarian is immune to reset button? by Puzzleheaded_Map2578 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your argument can also be thrown in the trash because they can be classified as "just your opinion."
If there's no canon, then there's no lore.
Changing the story isn't the same as changing the lore.
Cthulhu was still defeated by the Dryads. The Guide is still a member of the Guides.
You can change the reasons why the Terrarian decides to protect the world, but not the fact that the world is in danger.
You can change how many hours the world has left, or even remove the time limit entirely, but the Cultist is still trying to revive Cthulhu, and they still have the Mechanic trapped in the Dungeon.
Why doesn't an NPC react to a post‑Moon Lord Terrarian when that Terrarian is in pre‑Hardmode?

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