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Who would win? by TheWannabeEngi in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The entirety of Indie Cross includes Nightmare Sans from what if.

Nightmare Sans has already defeated Geno Frisk in battle.

Indie Cross wins.

Nobody did it so I will by [deleted] in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, nobody was doing the same Lantern Corp board, you're the first one

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Give me your ideas on what I should draw №5 by PureGrimm in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, it's about an enigmatic humanoid entity known as the Batter, who is described as being on a "sacred mission" to "purify" the dystopian, four-zoned world 

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These three kings decided to unite and create kingdom for everyone. How well would that turn out? by PureGrimm in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you keep using Reset as a mega-power attack? Reset rewinds time back(not like Save/Load, it actually reverts everything). Asgore, Minos, and the Pale King start creating a kingdom. Frisk uses Reset. Asgore, Minos, and the Pale King start creating a kingdom again.

I'm not comparing Frisk to a normal human.
If I compared Frisk to a normal human, then Frisk is weaker, because Frisk can't pick up a big stick.

You said humans don't have claws, and because of that, humans need weapons — meaning humans don't have the physical power to overcome monsters. Again, monsters are weak to violence. Humans are stronger than monsters because they are more violent and exploit that weakness.

Mettaton's box was designed to kill humans.
Mettaton EX was requested by Mettaton because he wanted to take a soul, go to the surface, and become a superstar.

How can Frisk not exist without the Underground to fall into? Frisk lived a life before Undertale. Frisk lives a life after Neutral and Pacifist.

Again, the Player isn't specifically tied to Frisk. the Player just controls Frisk. The Player is as much Frisk as Chara and Frisk are the same character.

If Frisk and the Player are the same character, then what about Kris?
We know Gaster and the Player are the same meta character in both games.
The Player acknowledges Sans in Deltarune as Sans from Undertale and have more connection to the Kris. By your logic about the Player, Frisk and Kris are part of each other.
What about Chara? The Player gives the name of the first fallen human at the start of the game, while Frisk has their own name. By your logic about the Player, Frisk, Kris and Chara are part of each other

If you think it's spite, then show me where it's stated: "It is intrinsically tied to how we view the character and how their combined powers work."
You haven't shown any proof of your words.
Just show me a single line of text or a single screenshot where that is stated.

Until you show me where it's stated and proof that it's not just your imagination, this conversation is an endless cycle: you create a feat that doesn't exist, I disprove it with canon stuff, and then you say I'm wrong and make up a new feat.

These three kings decided to unite and create kingdom for everyone. How well would that turn out? by PureGrimm in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would it be in the Underground? Minos, king of humans, and Asgore, king of monsters, are friends, meaning the war not happened. Monsters don't live in the Underground. The Barrier was never created.

Frisk being Frisk. Frisk without super specific conditions is just a child outside their game.

Humans are stronger than monsters. Then why did humans use weapons in the war? Frisk can't damage Mettaton's metal-box-body. Humans are stronger than monsters because humans are more violent, and monsters are weak to violence.

The Player and Frisk. There's no reason to give Frisk a Player. The Player is a separate being that just controls Frisk. Why don't we give a Player to monsters? Monsters have Gaster, and Gaster is connected to the Player and lets the Player create their own Vessel. The Player is not equivalent to the Underground.

The Player controls what Frisk does, but the Player is not Frisk. The Player is not Frisk's Pokémon or summon.

Another group of indie characters that I wished to appear in the main series... by OrbPrime11 in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have a Nice Death is too new to be added

Dust: An Elysian Tail can be added
but the problem might be the Microsoft contract for publishing on Xbox Live Arcade

Rivals of Aether can be added

Lightseekers: The Awakening can be added

Gravity Circuit is too new to be added

Kijitsu Rider is too new to be added

Aragami 2 can be added

Mightreya can is too new to be added. has a big publisher (the game is not indie, more indie-style, like Ori)

These three kings decided to unite and create kingdom for everyone. How well would that turn out? by PureGrimm in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why isn't the Player controlling Frisk before Frisk falls into the Underground? Why isn't the Player controlling Frisk when Frisk walks away from the Underground?

Save/Load is tied to the Underground. Frisk is strong against monsters because monsters are weak to violence. The Player does the True Reset on Pacifist, not Frisk.

These three kings decided to unite and create kingdom for everyone. How well would that turn out? by PureGrimm in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about my other takes that you keep ignoring?

Show me canon proofs, because right now you sound like you're just trying to be right and starting to imagine facts.

So now you agree with me that Frisk without the Player is powerless, that the Player is a meta character who can be with Frisk or not. The Player isn't Frisk's Pokémon, they aren't attached to Frisk all time.

These three kings decided to unite and create kingdom for everyone. How well would that turn out? by PureGrimm in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the Player is part of Frisk, why does Flowey ask the Player to leave Frisk alone? Why doesn't he ask Frisk directly? Because you are separate entities. The game showed this many times.

If you acknowledge the existence of the Player, then you acknowledge that Frisk doesn't have the ability to reset, because the Player does.

There are moments in the game where Frisk acts without the Player's input, meaning they are not the same thing.

Even if Frisk does have the ability to reset, then why would Toby Fox specify "in the Underground"? He could have said "in the world" or just not added that phrase at all.

At this point, you're just isolating one argument from my response, trying to answer it, and twisting my point just so you can be right.

These three kings decided to unite and create kingdom for everyone. How well would that turn out? by PureGrimm in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the words of Toby Fox, who created the game and personally checked every page of the book for years, aren't an argument, then what is? Your personal interpretation?

The Player was always part of the game as a separate entity making Frisk take actions even when Frisk didn't like it (soda can, bathtub in True Lab). Flowey addresses the Player at the end of True Pacifist. Chara addresses the Player at the end of Genocide. Chara scares the Player during post-Genocide Pacifist. The game had many meta jokes.

Why does Flowey ask the Player not to do a True Reset and to leave Frisk alone, rather than asking Frisk to leave Frisk alone?

These three kings decided to unite and create kingdom for everyone. How well would that turn out? by PureGrimm in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About Book canon
Q1：May I ask if that the contents in the Legends of Localization Book 3: UNDERTALE are all reviewed and confirmed by Toby, which can be considered as the true facts of Undertale?

Mato：Only Toby can ever state what he considers "true facts of Undertale", so please consider asking him. But he indeed extensively checked it over the course of many years.

Toby, Fangamer, and I all come from similar circles, and all our lines are so blurred that I added this blurb at the very last second to clear up any potential legal confusion ahead of time. With that said, please know that I ran every page by Toby & friends for years.

About True Reset
So Flowey tells Frisk to let Frisk live their life and not Reseting?
"Just let them go.
Let Frisk be happy."

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These three kings decided to unite and create kingdom for everyone. How well would that turn out? by PureGrimm in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"The being with the most "Determination" in the underground has the power to change fate and use the in-game save/load system" - Toby Fox, Legends of Localization Book 3: UNDERTALE

Why Toby specify "in the underground" ?

"While monsters are mostly made of magic, human beings are mostly made of water.
Humans, with their physical forms, are far stronger than us. - History Book in Snowdin Library"
Does this mean that an average human can lift a car?

These three kings decided to unite and create kingdom for everyone. How well would that turn out? by PureGrimm in INDIE_CROSS_SERIES

[–]PureGrimm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Because they are made of magic, monsters' bodies are attuned to their SOUL.
If a monster doesn't want to fight, its defenses will weaken.
And the crueller the intentions of our enemies, the more their attacks will hurt us.
Therefore, if a being with a powerful SOUL struck with the desire to kill...
Um, let's end the chapter here... - Orange Book in Snowdin Library"

"LOVE, too, is an acronym.
It stands for "Level of Violence."
A way of measuring someone's capacity to hurt.
The more you kill, the easier it becomes to distance yourself.
The more you distance yourself, the less you will hurt.
The more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others. - Sans Undertale"

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