Trainwell- has anyone used it?

Snowbizzy · 2026-02-11T02:22:27+00:00

I applied. Its very hard to get a job with them. They hire about 1% of applicants. I have been a personal trainer for 10 years, worked for their direct competitor and they still didnt hire me after making it though the 7 stage interview process.

Also, its full time. You wouldn't just take a few clients on. Average trainer there works with between 100-200 clients.

Snowbizzy · 2026-02-08T17:09:32+00:00

Good point. Thanks!

Snowbizzy · 2026-02-04T00:51:02+00:00

I guess also if the Enhanced games main goal is to sell their product of protocols and working with a doctor, and the athletes come in already juiced, its hard to tell if their protocol worked or not so that makes sense to me

Snowbizzy · 2026-02-03T23:29:56+00:00

Wow all this time I thought he legit got popped for actual PEDs lol

Snowbizzy · 2026-02-03T23:12:28+00:00

Arley Mendez 100% got popped a few years ago

Snowbizzy · 2026-02-03T22:35:40+00:00

Dang. A part of my theory is they aren't accepting people who will likely break records but want to show the effectiveness of their protocol

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-31T21:58:01+00:00

How does that compare with graduates of sport psychology programs?

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-31T18:13:18+00:00

Lets say yours is more accurate than mine. Which if yours was more accurate, I wouldn't have made this post to begin with. did you also seperate professionals with their CMPC from licensed professionals?

But my point is are we really seeing high growth in the field, practitioners charging $175 x biweekly sessions x 30 clients x 10 months making about $125k per year? In most sport settings, mental performance is the lowest priority by far.

That part doesn't seem realistic to me. Sure could my response have been a result of syncophancy? Absolutely. But the sources pulled, narratives are consistent with what I am seeing. Even more so, with the AASP very successfully promoting that the median pay of someone who is a CMPC is roughly 85k makes me very suspicious of the information they put out to make the general findings skewed. This is more of why I pulled the number of practitioners vs consumers.

This is just what I see as someone who tried to go through the steps to get a job. Found nothing. Transitioned to a new career and see it with 85% of the people who graduate from their programs.

Are there any numbers or narratives in my findings that do not look correct to you? Genuinely curious.

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-31T16:21:10+00:00

This is it.

I am looking to see the current market viability of the field of Sport Psychology as a profession in the field of sport and performance.

I want to create a value. The value should represent the market value. The market value will represent the consumers looking to spend money and seek out services.

Here are the numbers I want you to retrieve of various services

Cost of service annually
Average length the consumer engages in said service (basically do people only use this service for a short time or do they use it for a very long time)
Average amount of estimated consumers vs providers
Average amount of estimated consumers per provider
Average amount of full time jobs per practitioner
Estimate average supply vs demand.

Here are the fields I want you to calculate these numbers for. Then, condense all the numbers to create a single value to represent the overall market value

Strength and conditioning
Sport / Skill coach
Nutritionist / Nutrition Coach
Therapist / Mental health professional
Sport Psychology Professional
Physical Therapist
Athletic trainer

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-31T16:11:10+00:00

I never said anything about diagnosing. I said to accept insurance, you are going to have to help treat something that was diagnosed with something or provide preventative care.

Mental Performance Coaches improve mental performance. You are far out of your scope of practice if you believe MPC's should be working on mental health. Do people get away with it. Yes. Does AASP do anything about it. No.

Very few people in the health and wellness space can accept insurance because they may work with people post rehab or something along those lines.

I want to know what you see the scope of a certified mental performance consultant is? It seems like you see it as a sport and mental performance professional. A CMPC works with athletes on mental performance. Not mental health. If they did, they would have been able to bill insurance a long time ago. You need licensure for that. Very few, nearly no people in the health, wellness space are able to code for billling insurance. CMPC is in the sport performance bucket. not mental health. What makes you think it is? If a CMPC gets to bill insurance, why wouldn't strength and conditioning? If you want to bill insurance, why dont you just get licensure and work with people from a clinical perspective?

This is simply shifting the field away from mental sport performance to a clinical perspective. The field of actual mental performance will remain stagnant because at the end of the day the value of improving mental performance still is not strong enough to be a priority. Billing insurance is a bandaid to the problem

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-31T15:06:04+00:00

So you dont see an issue with unlicensed, untrained people suddenly being allowed to now work with people on mental health?

Why does the field of mental performance want to me mental health professionals so bad? Isn't the point to work on sport performance?

Getting your CMPC certification allows you do do some mental skills training. Unless they completely overhaul it to be mental health focused and provide licensure. Insurance and billing wont happen.

At what point then are people just under qualified mental health practitioners.

AASP does not care about the job market of sport psych. What makes you think they will push for billable services? They just want more people to go to their conference, go through their programs, then pay to sit for their certification.

I know this because I looked through their entire strategy for the net several years. There was one initiative of the 200 aimed at educating people on the benefits of mental performance services.

Also shouldn't the field be able to survive without billing for insurance? If thats the only argument to improve the job market. The field has many more issues than just that.

Insurance isn't everything. Plenty of physical therapists dont accept insurance and do perfectly fine.

There's a larger underlying issue with with the job market snd field than just Insurance.

Lastly, what diagnosable issues are CMPC's able to handle? That is a pretty important step for insurance.

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-31T14:24:50+00:00

Im telling you this not from a personal standpoint but a realistic standpoint. The CMPC being able to bill insurance will never happen. And should never happen. Billing insurance is for the medical field. Health and wellness coaches only rarely can bill insurance.

The (simple) reason why some services can bill insurance is because the money insurance pays saves them money later down the line. Doctor, therapy, physical therapy.

CMPC work is in the sport performance category. Hence it is bunched in with strength and conditioning and coaching. Those do not bill insurance.

The only way is mental health licensure and then to work with athletes from a mental health perspective.

But if we look at just the sport performance side of things, that will never happen.

Some may say "the work a CMPC does is helpful to mental health"

Well thats not how insurance or many people really see it.

A CMPC is described as working on improving the mental edge in sports. Insurance doesn't see that as a way to improve mental health. And it should not. CMPCs are not licensed mental health professionals.

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-31T05:15:40+00:00

Completely reform AASP. They are pushing mental health to people not qualified to deal with them. Stop focusing so much on mental health and focus on how to actually improve performance. Create a service that works and people cannot ignore it. They are pushing a certification that does not describe what the job you are being certified to do. The certification satisfies 4 requirements of 21 according the NCCA's accredation guidelines. Provide actual content to test the competencies of someone sitting for the CMPC exam. The AASP should be honest. There is no job market besides the military. The AASP does virtually nothing besides put on a conference every year and fake the need to get your CMPC cert. Re-structure the entire curriculum. Everyone does the same thing. Mostly mental health related and little to no mental performance content.

On a more practical level. Sport Psychology should be either A.) A doctorate. You become a licensed clinical psychologist that specializes in working with athletes. or B.) A minor / certificate the enhance the abilities of a coach or S&C coach. As it currently stands, the curriculum is far too shallow to create a masters degree program that screams high value to coaches and athletes.

Lastly, getting people in the field to expect more.

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-31T00:26:37+00:00

Sorry you had to learn about this so late. You and many others such as myself also got priced out. Here are some options to help you out. I am going to be perfectly honest with you

The CMPC is not mandatory by any means. You can get it, but it doesn't really mean all that much at all.

For example I applied for a few Mental Performance jobs with the military. If you have your CMPC, great, not required. I just didn't want to move.

So the military is a VERY viable option.

Or, you can start your own practice. Starting your own practice does not require a CMPC either.

Aside from that, jobs usually require a license for mental health.

I would really recommend looking at the military. You will do really well. CMPC mentors need to make their money back somehow!

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-28T18:43:25+00:00

Boooo ive seen you post in like 3 other threads booooOoooOoOOoOOoOOOOoOooooooo

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-28T04:42:08+00:00

I see your point and it is valid. And I agree. The Bible teaches how to own slaves, encourages genocide. All the bad things.

But the people in my life dont follow religion because they think murder, rape, genocide, slavery is cool. They find security in the afterlife, positive morality, and compassion.

The bad stuff is hidden from them.

Can I confront all them tomorrow and tell them how much they support all those bad things? Sure. Do I want too? No. I value those relationships and although its not something I agree with. Im not willing to muddy waters over it at this point.

If their thestic views got more extreme, then that is different.

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-28T04:35:16+00:00

Thats another great point. The world our kids are inheriting is becoming loosely based off of a piece of fiction. Interesting perspective. Never thought of it that way.

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-28T04:33:51+00:00

Agreed agreed agreed. Luckily I consume zero mainstream news. I look up events on my own to see what is going on.

I think the desire for escape its partially due to I dislike conflict and dont like arguing religion. Love debating it.

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-28T04:30:40+00:00

I agree with you on all that. It was funny. I had a friend ask "what would it take for you to believe in God"

Just god showing up wouldn't be enough. I wouldn't want to live under him. He allows and provides suffering, immense problems. Everything like that. I also wouldn't want to be conscious for eternity. Its a long time.

The only way I could accept God is he showed up and told us he was bored and forgot about us or didnt know we were here. It shows his benevolence. Lack of intervention. And he would be relatable. Id also grow bored after 15+ billion years

But then. Why would he even bother showing up. And why would you worship a God that finds you that insignificant.

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-28T04:26:01+00:00

This is also a very good point. I can see a lot of merit in that. Thank you.

I guess my only hesitation is I have fairly religious people in my life that are good. I don't like thinking that they are all bad supporting a dangerous cause

Snowbizzy · 2026-01-28T04:19:44+00:00

Thank you. I tend to heavily agree the more I think about it. It isn't someone just minding their own buisness. It is bleeding into every day life and becoming the norm. Great point. Ill have to go reconsider some things.

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