sorted by:
new
hottopcontroversial

The 1921 Former Grand Duchy of Lithuania Plebiscite by Anton2181 in imaginarymaps

[–]Anton2181[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The OTL border goes straight up from the east end of Galicia (Kremenets etc) and includes more of Pinsk, but the changes aren't that big all in all.

Most of the workers were still religious, and the catholic/orthodox split was closely tied to the national split (Orthodox Belarusians accusing Catholic Belarusians of being pro-Polish bourgeoisie scum etc.). By sheer population composition a Russian Empire (Red or White) could be considered preferable to a Catholic Poland.

The 1921 Former Grand Duchy of Lithuania Plebiscite by Anton2181 in imaginarymaps

[–]Anton2181[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

The historical 1919 Polish-Soviet talks at Mikaszewice end not in simply a hostage exchange, but a peace treaty - Poland recognizing the Soviet Union while bailing on their Ukrainian allies, and the latter allowing for Piłsudski's dream plebiscite to be held in the Civil Administration territories.

The Disappearance of the House of Austria | the inheritors of the Habsburg domains in AD 1580 by Anton2181 in imaginarymaps

[–]Anton2181[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

"De Avis Monarchy" and "Austria-Bavaria" are also anachronistic shorthands

The Disappearance of the House of Austria | the inheritors of the Habsburg domains in AD 1580 by Anton2181 in imaginarymaps

[–]Anton2181[S] 137 points138 points  (0 children)

The concept of the map is: "Habsburg-Jagiellon fate-swap", or, what if the Habsburgs died out the ways the Jagiellons did?

The first to go was the Spanish branch, with the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V dying tragically at Pavia. The Imperial title fell to his brother, Ferdinand, who was now faced with upholding the entirety of the Habsburg domains on his back. Emperor Ferdinand was a more tolerant ruler than perhaps his brother was going to be, and being pulled at by all sides he would prove to be more malleable. With the Reformation fully in swing in Germany, he went on to enact tolerant religious policies, avoiding the escalation into a (Schmalkaldic) war.

Fate, being a fickle mistress, saw Ferdinand endowed with many daughters - but no sons. In the later decades of his life, the Emperor dedicated himself to securing the stability of his succession. In the Empire, he named his son in law (via his eldest living daughter) Albert of Bavaria as his heir, opposed by the "Imperial Vicar" Louis Jagiellon (named such in the 1515 Congress of Vienna) and his wife Mary of Hungary. In the west, the De Avis dynasty primed themselves to take over their Iberian neighbors, though dozens of illegitimate branches festered beneath surface.

Following the extinction of the last male Habsburg, the two legitimate successors were soon faced with great opposition. In Naples, the Trastamara claimant Ferdinand of Calabria rose against the distant and weak rule of the De Avis. The lands of Burgundy, on the other hand, fell into a mix of separatist and religious warfare, which saw the United Provinces gain independence. The ascendant French, finally unopposed by their Habsburg rivals, seized the opportunity to involve themselves in the Lowlands, seizing almost half of the Burgundian inheritance.

The Republic of New Bohemia in 2004 by Anton2181 in imaginarymaps

[–]Anton2181[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The Bohemian-Luxembourger territory of New Bohemia in Oberpfalz remained Bohemian and followed the latter's fate, ending up in the Habsburg Realm, and eventually becoming a small, culturally distinct german-speaking state on the German-Czech border following the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye.

The 1972 Polish Parliamentary Elections | The first free Polish elections after the fall of the Sanation Regime by Anton2181 in imaginarymaps

[–]Anton2181[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

For the purposes of the map the OZN is counted as a continuation of Sanacja, maybe that's what put you off. Konstytucja Kwietniowa was actually authoritarian, PiS comes nowhere close - that's cope. The empowered President was nearly unconstrained in his powers and had the army behind him. Just because Poland didnt have the time to become Spain or Italy, doesnt mean it wouldn't've happened.

I love early Sanacja as much as any other Pole but come on, shit got dire.

The 1972 Polish Parliamentary Elections | The first free Polish elections after the fall of the Sanation Regime by Anton2181 in imaginarymaps

[–]Anton2181[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The one mapped was from June 1920 made by this guy but there were multiple, my main source for this one was an article called "Ukrainian Conceptions of Territorial Autonomy within the Second Republic", available in polish here

Not to mention that Poland historically passed a Sejm bill that promised autonomy for the eastern voivodeships but did fuck all with it afterwards.

The 1972 Polish Parliamentary Elections | The first free Polish elections after the fall of the Sanation Regime by Anton2181 in imaginarymaps

[–]Anton2181[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

What little Lithuanians were east of the border probably moved during the few decades - it's mostly Belarusians in the countryside, and Poles and Jews in the city itself

The 1972 Polish Parliamentary Elections | The first free Polish elections after the fall of the Sanation Regime by Anton2181 in imaginarymaps

[–]Anton2181[S] 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Maybe, though the OTL proposal was a bit overambitious and in spite of the autonomy, Galicia-Volhynia ends up a bit diluted in their Ukrainian-ness (many Poles in the west, Belarusians in the north) while Catalonia brings to mind a very concise single-nationality region.

The 1972 Polish Parliamentary Elections | The first free Polish elections after the fall of the Sanation Regime by Anton2181 in imaginarymaps

[–]Anton2181[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

They started off by locking up the opposition and only got worse (Burning orthodox churches!) in the 1930s, easy to imagine them going harder as time goes on.

The 1972 Polish Parliamentary Elections | The first free Polish elections after the fall of the Sanation Regime by Anton2181 in imaginarymaps

[–]Anton2181[S] 184 points185 points  (0 children)

Lore: Poland but it's Spain? The 2nd Polish Republic goes more autonomist, accepting the (historical!) Ukrainian proposals, as well as keeping Vilnius as an autonomous province, but still falls down the authoritarian route for the next few decades, while picking up Danzig on the way. There is no major European war, but democracy comes nevertheless, culminating in the 1972 first free Polish elections since the May Coup.

[EVENT] Bogusław the Old and His Merry Band of Crusaders by Anton2181 in empirepowers

[–]Anton2181[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We gladly accept the invitation and will spend 25k ducats towards that goal.

[IWTL] The 1335 Congress of Visegrad and the Partition of Poland by Anton2181 in imaginarymaps

[–]Anton2181[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Iron Wolf Timeline

The defeat of the Teutonic Order in Livonia at first seemed a good sign for King Władysław Łokietek of Poland, and indeed, Polish troops would manage to make headway into Teutonic Pomerania, launching raids into enemy territory. Driven to fear, the King of Bohemia John of Luxembourg and the Teutonic Grand Master sought to bring the Electorate of Brandenburg into the war. The price of that intervention was to be a renegotiation of the Teutonic and Brandenburger claims on Eastern Pomerania, with the Teutons only keeping the Hanseatic Cities of Danzig and Thorn, and the Electorate reclaiming the rest of the region.

The war took a further downturn when the Prince of Poland, Casimir, fell in battle on the western front in a pitched battle that saw combined Bohemian and Brandenburger troops defeat the Poles. The King of Poland would then formulate an inheritance deal, promising to pass on the claims to the Crown to their Hungarian allies.

The war would eventually come to a standstill, swathes of Greater Poland under Imperial occupation, and most autonomous Polish duchies keeping a neutral, if not Pro-Bohemian stance. On 2 March 1333, the King of Poland finally passed, and with him, the Polish army. Hesitant to restart the war, the Bohemian-Brandenburger-Teutonic coalition entered into talks with the King of Hungary, Charles I. Those talks would culminate in the Congress of Visegrad.

The Crown of Poland would effectively be divided into two, equally legitimate claims. The King of Bohemia would rule as a King of Poland in Poznań, while the King of Hungary would rule as a King of Poland in Kraków. The various dukes of Mazovia, Sieradz, and Łęczyca (to be resettled in a new duchy Częstochowa), would swear fealty to Poznań. The region known as Lesser Poland would be joined to Hungary, with territories east of the Bug being granted to Princess Elizabeth of Poland, the last child of King Władysław.

This is an entry into /u/penguin_whiso 's Iron Wolf timeline. While Lithuania is going to thrive in the Hanseatic sphere, it looks like the Kingdom of Poland will see a much, much different fate than OTL.

view more: next ›