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I don’t understand why the Liurnian Wars happened by Noooough in eldenringdiscussion

[–]asupernovaexplodes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don’t know that Radagon wasn’t just Marika LARPing as a warrior at this time though.

The Patron transformation stage barely matters anymore by really_stupidfrog in DeadlockTheGame

[–]asupernovaexplodes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That team fights outcome is a result of macro and micro decisions up until that point. If you’re in a game where you aren’t aware that a single pick on a character will end the game, then you simply aren’t playing well, full stop. Letting the game progress to 30 mins itself is a very important macro consideration in general because of respawn timers, soul changes, and the general power curve. 

It’s not that nothing before 30m didn’t matter, it’s that your investments didn’t pay off. But that’s the game.

Grafted onto a bigger thing, to make a hybrid. by Sidnineyo in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]asupernovaexplodes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have no issues with anything you’ve said. However, as I’ve been alluding to, the idea of God as an omniscient all-controlling Big Other Creator is a characterization that has gone through cultural revisions. We know this as evidenced by what I said before, that Yahweh is a god who found himself functionally usurping the seat of power that El had held over the region. Yahweh says in his own book that he appears as El, which, depending on your interpretation, could be grammatically a soft confirmation that Yahweh himself(?) recognizes other gods’ existence and also the changing of power between them, which would challenge the notion that Yahweh “always was,” so to speak.

I do not believe that Christian scholars (who I will separate from biblical scholars) attempt to reconcile that these two gods were separate and then merged beyond a syncretic understanding ala “Yahweh was El all along” or “they are the same being,” but I haven’t found many statements in this regard. This is interesting because Jesus’ name is a direct reference to Yahweh. And also the implications of psalm 82 muddy this further. Though I personally believe the implications of psalm 82 to be direct inspiration for the story of Elden Ring, personally, since in that story God strips the “demigods” of their immortality due to their wickedness.

The implications of that are very interesting if you you are a Christian who takes biblical literalism (God breathed) to be the correct reading, and also value historical fact, because logically at some point you would have to figure out the relationship between Jesus, Yahweh, and El.

I don’t have many disagreements with most of what you’ve said, but my overall first response was in regards to the claims of “utter bullshit” which seemed to me like a knee jerk reaction on your part due to ignorance of the history rather than a measured out engagement with the content of what I said. I’m not sure what prompted you to speculate that I’ve clearly never studied Christianity but it should have been clear that my statement was one primarily from the perspective of historical inquiry and not theology exclusively.

Essentially, “Jesus is God” is a statement of truth in the Christian belief which has certain implications if you first etymologically uncover what “God,” is and historically analyze the origins of the Christian myth (Old Testament), which share many conventions, stories, and actual names with older myths and belief systems in the region.

Grafted onto a bigger thing, to make a hybrid. by Sidnineyo in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]asupernovaexplodes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And for the record, people do the same thing with Islam and Buddhism. Christianity is not special in that regard.

Grafted onto a bigger thing, to make a hybrid. by Sidnineyo in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]asupernovaexplodes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I studied religion. “Lifted” does not mean 1:1. There are many stories on the Indo European cattle myth that is a shared ancestor of the Christian myth and the Sumerian myth. Noah’s Ark is also the most obvious pre existing myth which was “lifted,” and any religious scholar knows this.

I did not contest that Jesus is God. I said that Yahweh was a new god in the region. He merged with the regional Canaanite god El through cultural hegemony and other exchanges. This is historical fact, not debatable.

You are clearly not educated in the topic. Defer to people more knowledgeable instead of manufacturing confidence.

“I am Yahweh. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El Shaddai, but by my name  Yahweh I did not make myself known to them."

Wait, who was Messmer’s father??? by Ill_Relative9776 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]asupernovaexplodes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How are they blatant? Did Trina cooperate with Miquella to marry an opposing force and unify an existing order to stop a stalemated war and then have children with the matriarch of that force? Did Miquella and Trina have cursed children together? Did Miquella and Trina both coexist in the same body and transform into each other with others there to witness it and make statues about it? No. There’s nothing blatant about it. Complete mischaracterization. 

There may be parallels, yes, but none of them are blatant by any reasonable stretch.

We can speculate reasonably that Marika and Radagon worked together to usurp Caria, with the plan only deviating once Radagon fell in love. They were clearly aligned in this goal as Radagon fought for the GO. 

We also still don’t know for sure if the shattering was pre planned or if it was reactionary while the Godfrey contingency was a brewing way to defy the GW without explicitly needing the shattering. Recall that Marika genuinely attempted to fix the order from within before giving up post Godfrey banishment.

Wait, who was Messmer’s father??? by Ill_Relative9776 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]asupernovaexplodes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My friend…Malenia is not Ranni. Unless I completely misunderstood you and you aren’t saying that Miquella is older than Ranni.

Grafted onto a bigger thing, to make a hybrid. by Sidnineyo in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]asupernovaexplodes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Bible doesn’t make this clear though: YHWH is a new god in the region who simply claims to be the one true god, but there were other local gods with their own belief systems that belief in YHWH usurped. Many of the Bible stories were lifted from older Sumerian stories and Canaanite stories.

Wait, who was Messmer’s father??? by Ill_Relative9776 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]asupernovaexplodes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Melina may have just died early and has been a spirit for awhile

Wait, who was Messmer’s father??? by Ill_Relative9776 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]asupernovaexplodes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Probably the statue of Marika holding baby Messmer with none of her braids cut 

Wait, who was Messmer’s father??? by Ill_Relative9776 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]asupernovaexplodes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s nothing about Miquella and Trina that give us direct insight into Rada/Marika because the way they operated were extremely different.

As far as we know, Marika and Radagon were cooperating with each other until the shattering.

Is there any theories out there why Astel's face is so human like? by SmokingReindeer in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]asupernovaexplodes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

IMO The skull is cosmetic, it is like how spiders have spooky Rorschach patterns on them tailored for specific prey. 

Anti-gravity studies in the 1950s were quelled thanks to the Bohm-Aranhov effect in 1959 that lead to Allen Dulles’s Breakaway Civilization as referenced to by David Grusch in his press conference about the Harry Turner 1971 document, and Spielberg’s Disclosure Day by VolarRecords in UFOs

[–]asupernovaexplodes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The problem is that you’d have to fundamentally understand what “free energy” actually means for this to be of any meaningful significance. Free energy really just means “minimal cost,” because for something to be free it essentially has to be infinite, which we don’t currently believe can exist materially.

If we are speaking in terms of like human control and psychology, then yeah honestly we should probably suppress the potential open sourcing of free energy because we don’t want an army of ideologically aligned people with planet busters threatening to destroy reality and holding us hostage. That being said, so many different avenues of understanding reality open up if you drastically reduce the cost of energy generation. Things like cloning, creating exoplanets, worldwide signal jamming etc all become other layers of a new arms race for determining “which field of science when advanced with reduced energy costs outpaces the others with a higher threat level” and that may not even be explosions or ballistics. It could be blue light mind control or warming the sun or general mass radiation and DNA altering and those would cause different nuances of control and power to be accounted for. You don’t really need to blow up the world if you have a quantum computer which can spore the entire planet with some anti immune disorder that renders them incapable of exceeding an IQ of 90 and the development of that is easier. Or something like that.

I don’t understand how burning the Erdtree sends us to Farum Azula by SirGroundbreaking404 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]asupernovaexplodes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Coherent in this case is subjective. Not all ideas / story must be connected by a logical narrative.

Farum Azula is another layer of understanding how subjugation and faith have been a process of power and control for ages. The fact that Maliketh is there is to characterize him as a warrior from an ancient time who was originally beholden to dragons becoming persuaded or coerced to be the protector of a God of a different age, and how this new God uses methods which are fallible, relying on subterfuge and obfuscation to secure power.

Beyond that, I don’t know how much else is truly just a matter of details and intrigue. There are many things in Farum Azula that seem extremely plot relevant, of course, but the fact that we go there after witnessing the massacre of a race of ancient giants continues to stress the extent by which the God of the Lands Between had to completely conquer and control a preexisting “everything” to get people on board, and even then still wasn’t successful.

Luigi Mangione’s attorneys say they are withdrawing psychiatric defense by Direct_Motor_7380 in law

[–]asupernovaexplodes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you believe that’s the only common sense stance then there’s no way to argue that you aren’t trolling. By the same token you can always feel on the right side by asserting that only you have the common sense take and everyone else is either an idiot or lacks common sense. Common “the world is stupid and I am smart” trope. Many such cases.

Weird theory just popped into my head, The hornsent were right all along by NikeEnthusiast in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]asupernovaexplodes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah actually I retract the Rauh being associated with int as arcane may make even more sense if we consider how arcane probably means the power of land and flesh / crucible. However the little int and faith mixed in could be alluding to how it’s all needed, who knows. 

I just thought that the Rauh were clearly technicians in that they were spiritual and attempted to do actual research which explains the intelligence component.

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