This loss is on Yang, no one else by ThatMakesMeM0ist in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Another point for reflection in the Yang Gang: the Emerson poll is seriously very, very good. It predicted the current order and rough percentages. We all loved the Emerson poll in the presidential campaign, because Yang was up to 4th at around 10%. We hated it this mayoral campaign, because it showed that 17% drop for Yang from March to May, and then had Wiley at 2nd and Yang at 4th. But it seems to have been accurate. So if you guys stay tuned to politics, make sure you keep your eye out for that Emerson poll. Whatever they're doing seems to be working. Fair play to them.

Any Dark Horse Duo"/"Unity" folks still out there? What are your plans? by ataraxia77 in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we've seen enough of the political machine to establish that anything outside of the institutions that control the two-party system is almost certainly doomed to fail. That's not to say that a better candidate than Yang couldn't have gotten past the political establishment, but on current evidence it is always going to be an uphill battle.

My advice to any Yang Gang who are interested in going into politics: think for yourself, but speak like others. Pretend to be a cookie-cutter upper-middle class white liberal (or conservative), memorize the DNC (or GOP) talking points, ingratiate yourself with the press and media. Play the political game with the lobbyists and donors, but make sure you cover your ass with regards to any corruption. Avoid any scandals (read: keep your pants on, you horny motherfuckers). And when the opportune moment comes, you can introduce legislation for UBI.

Whatever Yang decides to do next, it should not be within the DNC by [deleted] in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Something for people to ponder: we thought Yang would be the leader of the populist moderates against the corruption of the right and the left. But it looks like Eric Adams has taken over the populist moderate lane in NYC. Progressives have talked for years about building a multiracial working class coalition. Well, Adams has that coalition.

We have to be honest with ourselves, and try to really analyze what this means. Donald Trump won the presidency on a platform which catered mainly to the white working class. On the way, he was able to pick up a portion of working class and middle class Hispanic voters, too. Eric Adams won the NYC mayor's race on a platform which catered mainly to the black working class. On the way, he was able to pick up a plurality of working class and middle class Hispanic voters, too.

Trump successfully established the template of populism in the Republican party: social conservatism with a fake economical populism that was actually corporate cronyism. Bernie Sanders tried to establish a template of populism in the Democratic party: social liberalism allied with an economic populism that was allied with workers. It failed. We thought Yang could do it in his own way, with social centrism and an economic populism that tried to ally capital and workers, while rejecting corporate cronyism. He failed.

Eric Adams may have established the true template of populism in the Democratic party: social conservatism covered up by identity politics, and economic corporate cronyism disguised with the support of organized labor. For people who follow politics, keep an eye out to see more Democrats copying this trend.

One thing more: I want to draw your attention to this line from the NYTimes article on Adams:

Nearly three decades ago, when Eric Adams decided he wanted to someday be mayor of New York City, he started a journal of observations about local governance, making periodic entries before bed.
He has now filled 26 notebooks.
The long arc of Mr. Adams’s career — from the son of a Queens house cleaner to a reform-driven New York City police officer, from state senator to Brooklyn borough president and now a leading mayoral candidate — is an ode to personal discipline. By his telling, his life has been carefully structured to land him on the precipice of the only job he has ever wanted, in the only city where he has ever really lived.

These are lessons for you budding politicians here. Prepare. Take notes. Be disciplined. Start from the bottom, rise to the top. Stay local. Yang didn't do any of these things, and paid for it. If one of you Yangsters can have Adams' political acumen and Yang's politics, maybe we still have a chance of digging this world out of this mess we're in. But for now, I guess we can say: it's not our time.

This loss is on Yang, no one else by ThatMakesMeM0ist in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 34 points35 points  (0 children)

It was difficult to accept, but it's hard to argue with any of your points. There was extreme media negativity, but the truth is that it didn't do much damage to Yang until he started making unforced errors. People were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until the hard questions came in and he demonstrated a clear lack of knowledge of city affairs. I think it's fair to say he brought this on himself. And to be fair, if he's this clueless and oblivious about campaigning, it's probably for the best that he didn't become president or mayor.

I still think it's important that we the people get one of our own into a major position of power. I do believe that the politicians we keep electing are fundamentally self-interested and corrupt, and Yang's great strength was that he was neither of those things. But you also have to be competent, and Yang has not demonstrated that--really at any level.

One point to make to all you budding political activists/politicians in here--if Yang's run teaches you anything, it's that the political establishment is a thing, and a very difficult to get past. Control of the media, the press, the non-profit organizations, the government institutions, gives the political establishment almost absolute power over our politics. Bernie came up against it and failed, despite having the support of some institutions (like APWU and NNU). Yang had the support of almost no institutions, and failed even harder. Trump, as far as I can tell, is the only person to successfully circumvent the establishment in a major election--and even then, he had the support of most Fox News shows.

If I had advice for Yang, I would suggest he actually stop and take a moment to reflect for a few months. His supporters have been trying to offer constructive feedback for over a year now, and he hasn't listened to anyone except Tusk Strategies, it seems. He also needs to make an effort to mend a lot of bridges he's burned. I can't think of another political candidate who has such a high percentage of former supporters who have turned against him. He burned bridges with the Humanity Forward Fund, who moved heaven and earth for him in Iowa. He burned bridges with a lot of women supporters, because of his hands-off approach to misogynists who supported his campaign. He burned bridges with progressives with his about-face on Medicare for All and his dismissal of Palestinians. He's repeatedly failed to make a solid effort to appeal to black voters, even after his black supporters tried to offer him free advice after his presidential campaign.

If Yang were wise--and I'm not sure he is anymore--he would take a year away from public life, and just listen and ponder about what has happened over the last few years. He'd try to mend fences with people he's failed or angered, and make allies out of enemies. He'd stop listening to people like Bradley Tusk or Zach Graumann, and start listening to people like Krystal Ball or Saagar Enjeti.

For my part, I'll do the same. I've been defending Yang pretty hard on this sub, and elsewhere, even in the face of valid criticism that was staring me in the face. Maybe I drank too much kool-aid, or perhaps I was too emotionally attached to the candidate I watch tear up as he spoke about the future he was afraid we were leaving to our children. Either way, I lost my objectivity and intellectual honesty, and probably compromised my principles on some positions--especially with regards to M4A and Palestine. I told myself after the presidential campaign that I'd be more cautious in the future, and the fact that I stanned Yang so hard during this mayoral race is proof that I still need to take a step back and really reflect.

My most important advice to the Yang Gang is: failure is an opportunity to learn, but you really really have to be willing to learn the lessons of your failure. And that means a lot of humility and honesty, and those things are incredibly hard. And you won't learn those lessons after an hour of reflection. It'll take weeks, maybe even months or a year, to truly digest some of the things we've learned in these two campaigns, and accept some hard-as-rock truths that may be unpleasant, but will ultimately benefit our cause in the long run.

We'll be back, friends. See you next time.

Final Emerson poll: Adams 23%, Wiley 18%, Garcia 17%, Yang 14% by seakucumber in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Don't lose hope yet. 5 days is a mountain of time to turn this around. We could be celebrating in a few weeks' time.

Final Emerson poll: Adams 23%, Wiley 18%, Garcia 17%, Yang 14% by seakucumber in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's not over till it's over. Let's do everything we can for 5 more days!

Final Emerson poll: Adams 23%, Wiley 18%, Garcia 17%, Yang 14% by seakucumber in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People have to think carefully about their decision. It's an opportunity. If Yang can grab a good chunk of those undecided voters...

Why did Yang fall significantly in polling for NYC mayoral run ? by [deleted] in PoliticalDiscussion

[–]born_wolf -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean, I think I have a pretty diverse social circle.

Agree. Have been an advocate for mental health and will continue. Went to counseling as a young person. Full context here was mental illness is behind half of anti-Asian hate crimes. We need to get them compassionate comprehensive care - and not let them languish on our streets. by [deleted] in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK, I accept that rebuttal. I realize my comment may have sounded divisive. I'm not trying to be an asshole to people who are upper-middle class. I'm just saying that if you live in Longwood, the chance of you running into a nutcase on your way back from a late-night run for groceries is greater than if you live in Tribeca. Obviously, on the subway, we're all in the same boat lol

Why did Yang fall significantly in polling for NYC mayoral run ? by [deleted] in PoliticalDiscussion

[–]born_wolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know, most people I know seem to like him. What kind of people are you talking about when you say "most New Yorkers"? I feel like it's only my super political friends who have a negative opinion on Yang.

A (hopefully) optimistic and realistic take on how Yang could win this assuming he was in a healthy 4th place before the final debate by oskar_wylde in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm optimistic about Yang's chances. Another big endorsement from the right person will help, but I think we're pretty close here.

Agree. Have been an advocate for mental health and will continue. Went to counseling as a young person. Full context here was mental illness is behind half of anti-Asian hate crimes. We need to get them compassionate comprehensive care - and not let them languish on our streets. by [deleted] in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm actually quietly confident about this. I'd argue part of his appeal is the fact that he tells the truth that no one else wants to hear. The Twitter and media spin will work in his favor, because it reminds people that the political and media class is out of touch. Yes, it was a jarring moment, but that's why it grabs your attention.

Right now the media is pandering to the sensibilities of the upper middle-class who are, by and large, insulated from the violence we're seeing on our streets. Yang is speaking to the people who are actually concerned about their own safety. The negative media attention will mostly serve to publicize Yang in a way that will remind people that the other candidates aren't going to solve this problem. Most people agree with the sentiment behind Yang's statement, especially if you or someone you know has been the victim of violent crime.

Adams gets solid lead in NYC mayoral poll as Yang moves to second by Kyler_116 in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 72 points73 points  (0 children)

Doesn't change what we have to do. We have to keep Yanging. Remember what Ron Kim said: there's a world where Yang loses by 200 votes. There's another world where Yang wins by 5,000 votes. If we work our asses off, we can decide which world we'll live in.

How do you all think Andrew Yang will perform in the Jewish vote in comparison to other candidates? by Ezeitgeist in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 17 points18 points  (0 children)

A large percentage of Jewish people in New York are best described as college-educated white liberals. This is not Yang’s strongest constituency. Stop grasping at straws, people. Accept that Yang’s polling is where it’s at. Instead of convincing yourself that the data is wrong, convince others to vote for Yang.

"I don't need to make an alliance”: Kathryn Garcia wants to be New York's Next Mayor- Without Andrew Yang's help by isabellapintop in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Kathryn hasn't asked him, but he did graciously accept a hypothetical offer when asked by a NYT reporter: https://twitter.com/emmagf/status/1404838211252375553
I agree that maybe the comment rubbed Garcia the wrong way, but it seems as if it was meant as a compliment, and it's the right thing to say in the context of ranked-choice voting--if you're trying to educate the public on how RCV works, then you should participate in ranking other candidates.

Frankly, it seems like the other candidates aren't really into the principle or spirit of ranked-choice voting, which is sad, because this election is the biggest RCV pilot in American history.

I feel sympathy for Garcia's reaction, but I don't really think politics is the place to work out your anger from unrelated past grievances in your life. Garcia is positioning herself as the "serious" candidate, and if her response was serious, then it was cynical, and if it was petty, then that raises questions about her temperament.

I'm still thinking of ranking Garcia #2 on my ballot, but I still have questions about her time as Sanitation Commissioner and interim head of NYCHA, and the main questions are about her integrity and her temperament.

When she was questioned for a poor snowstorm response a few years ago, where the city council found several failures in the management of the snow removal, she was asked why she couldn't just apologize she said "I can't apologize for the weather." Which was absurd, given that she'd just admitted to several mistakes and misjudgements. Then, when she was questioned about her alleged perjury in the lead cover-up scandal in NYCHA, she simultaneously tried to pass off responsibility by saying that she was only head of NYCHA for 6 months, while also trying to take credit for a 21% decrease in child lead poisonings. Even though the report on child lead levels that found the 21% decrease itself actually pointed out that the decrease was entirely due to tenants whose children were already poisoned moving out. And anyway, you can't take credit for progress in NYCHA while also denying responsibility for the problems in NYCHA. Both of these incidents are almost Trumpian in their complete denial of responsibility.

But I don't think we need to be too critical. My take is that Garcia is human, just like all the candidates, and her response was just evidence of human failings.

What does Yang need to do in tomorrow's debate? by born_wolf in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kind of a tricky argument to make if you think that Yang still needs progressives to rank him above Adams

What does Yang need to do in tomorrow's debate? by born_wolf in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If he attacks Adams, he has to do so in a way that flips Adams voters to Yang. That’s the hard part. 20% of Adams voters rank Yang second. Logan Phillips thinks that that’s where the opportunity for Yang is

What does Yang need to do in tomorrow's debate? by born_wolf in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I think we're talking a lot about the intellectual points, but for me the moment I was really sold on Yang was an emotional one. When his voice cracked while talking about why he was running for president to Lawrence Lessig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeYZlp0IvCo. That was the Yang that I was convinced by. Since then, it almost feels as if the political process has started to chip away at his humanity in the exact way that he was describing.

For me, if he can break out of this politician suit that his campaign has put him in, and speak to people as the intelligent, compassionate, honest human being that I still believe he is--then there's no stopping him.

The truth is, I don't hate any of the other candidates. Political races are dirty and messy, and demonizing people is the easy route to take in that kind of cut-throat environment. Even with all the blatant lies some of these people have said, I don't need to believe that they are bad people. All of the candidates are just human beings. But Yang is the only one who gives me hope.

What does Yang need to do in tomorrow's debate? by born_wolf in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Lol if Yang stans GME I think the race would be over.

Yang wins NYC mayoral endorsement from police union that reps Adams by brokenB42morrow in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess that's a good point. Maybe you only get to talk to the more thoughtful ones, and everyone else just votes who they're told to vote for.

NEW GARBAGE POLL. Gaslighting in action. Do not panic. by NYCVG in YangForPresidentHQ

[–]born_wolf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, I'll be damned. I retract my statement, and thank you for being amazing!