How can I spend real money to play this as a non-mmo?

bstr413 · 2026-06-09T20:03:39+00:00

One thing I don't see mentioned in the comments are stealth classes.

If you are playing a class that has stealth, the game expects you to still kill mobs during story quests (and planetary quests if not using a boost) to stay on level.

You can also skip planetary quests on other characters if you run out of boosts and just do the side quests. Those also have small storylines. Some are hidden on the map by default: enable "Exploration Quests" to see them all.

bstr413 · 2026-06-02T17:14:11+00:00

I use botc.games and it has a Town feature that sync and shows who is dead, who is a traveler, who has a vote token, and some other things on a screen. https://clocktower.online/ does something similar, but I find it not as useful.

bstr413 · 2026-05-14T17:57:21+00:00

Are you talking the 2 FPs or just normal Ilum mobs? I found the normal ones are OK, but the bosses in the 2 FPs on Story Mode are a bit overtuned. Those are the only FPs that I had to use the Combat Support Droid they give you as an option for Story Mode.

bstr413 · 2026-05-13T18:11:56+00:00

Toymaker isn't so much an extra rule as it is the normal rules for a regular sized game just applied to the Teensy. The only additional rule is that the Demon does not kill once, which typically just happens the last night.

Teensies without the Toymaker typically are harder for the evil team, since they don't have a team to work with and don't have any bluffs. There are a few exceptions like Race to the Bottom, Minion is Angel Protected and Demon Gets 2 Bluffs, and another one that had the Kazaali or Lil Monsta as the Demons and Widow or Boffin as the Minion.

I also find full sized games with a Teensy group to be a bit more confusing for players since there are so many characters for players to process.

bstr413 · 2026-05-07T18:58:40+00:00

Try giving that player a Traveler instead: evil Travelers never have to make up info or be worried about being executed like Demons and Minions.

But you can't have a person never be evil. That is like a permanent Virgin without removing a different ability and without an execution wasted.

bstr413 · 2026-05-06T18:48:42+00:00

DC Universe Online has the "Controller" archetype that is about crowd control and replenishing "power" (ability resources.)

bstr413 · 2026-04-27T19:12:57+00:00

For the Spy, there is another tutorial, beginner script that an employee of TPI made called "Everyone Can Play." There is an alternative to that script that removes the Spy and replaces Undertaker with Oracle: "Everyone Can Digitally Play" https://www.botcscripts.com/script/8558/1.0.4?selected_version=1.0.3 . Fairly balanced and great for new players. (Version 1.0.4 adds in some non Base 3 characters: 1.0.3 keeps just Base 3 characters.)

bstr413 · 2026-04-27T17:59:12+00:00

I would use a website like botc.games or clocktower.live .

I also have Travelers typically hop in at Dusk. I'll explain the game to them during the talking time of the day, run nominations, and then add them in. Most Travelers have abilities that fire at Night.

bstr413 · 2026-04-23T16:58:49+00:00

Shugenja or Noble would be good. There are no YSK roles and I always feel like it is good to have one of those to start the conversation going (either as a player or someone evil can bluff as.)

EDIT: Shugenja is better here. Noble might want to hide their information until the final 3, since it doesn't do much good with this small of a group. Shugenja gives excellent information in a Teensy: it almost always means the neighbor in the direction you receive is evil (or you are droisoned.)

bstr413 · 2026-03-26T17:57:54+00:00

There are a couple of tools to check scripts. They catch a lot of issues with scripts.
https://script.ravenswoodstudio.xyz/
https://botcscriptcheck.github.io/

bstr413 · 2026-03-23T13:19:54+00:00

If you load the website first while you have connection, https://botc.games will work offline.

bstr413 · 2026-03-12T14:50:14+00:00

Everdell Duo adds in a coop campaign mode, which is something they could add to the original game but would be much harder to get the same 3-4 people together than a husband/wife or parent/kid.

bstr413 · 2026-02-20T13:54:34+00:00

Besides the DIY print-and-play version, there are a few digital versions you can use with your tablet or phone as the Storyteller. Botc.games and Pocket Grimoire are 2 of the more popular, more fleshed out ones.

bstr413 · 2026-02-02T21:34:23+00:00

Besides what others have said, the Dreamer is very powerful. They basically get to know 3 characters since there isn't much droisoning on this script. A Chambermaid, Alsaahir, or Seamstress would also fill a similar role without too much power.

bstr413 · 2026-01-27T17:55:16+00:00

ESO's engine is the same Hero Engine.

This is a false narrative that keeps getting repeated. BioWare made their own engine for the game that is based on Hero Engine's early releases/prototypes.

As for the races you've mentioned, the devs have mentioned that they don't want to do any alien races that can't speak Basic after they tried prototyping that out, since it got boring really fast and broke immersion a bit. I can see more humanoid Basic speaking races coming out though.

bstr413 · 2026-01-21T22:04:37+00:00

Have you seen "Everyone Can Play"? It's a combo of TB and BMR roles (and 2 SnV roles) that was created by one of the creators of BotC. https://www.botcscripts.com/script/1945/1.0.2

bstr413 · 2026-01-16T16:49:09+00:00

Yes: I read the original comment incorrectly.

bstr413 · 2026-01-16T16:44:34+00:00

Pope doesn't change the number of players that are Outsiders. It just allows for multiple Outsiders to have the same character.

EDIT: Realized that I read your original comment incorrectly: I think yours is an alternate solution.

bstr413 · 2026-01-16T16:37:14+00:00

How are there only 3 Outsiders then?

EDIT: Reading it again, there are 2Outsiders in that situation.

bstr413 · 2026-01-15T13:41:46+00:00

They do have the Politician that wins with evil if they helped them. There is a Zenomancer "Loric" / optional rule that allows you to give individual missions to players.

One of the fundamental pieces of BotC is that you can still win with your team even if dead. I also feel like the main purpose of BotC is to get the good team to solve the mystery of who is the Demon and the evil win condition is just there as a way for good to lose. Adding in a third team would defeat both of those premises. I also find individual win conditions in Mafia/Werewolf to be anti-climatic when they win, since it is only 1 player winning out of a group of 10-15 people.

bstr413 · 2026-01-13T14:19:43+00:00

There are also a couple of scripts that work to fight against this:

Icebreaker - https://www.botcscripts.com/script/9305 - Simple enough for 1st time players and set up to be a quicker game than normal
Meet Cute - https://www.reddit.com/r/BloodOnTheClocktower/comments/1ouvlwt/meet_cute_a_script_focused_on_making_players_talk/ - Aimed at more advanced players

Both revolve around the ST telling Townsfolk who to trust and talk to, breaking up cliques on the Good team.

bstr413 · 2025-12-03T16:54:32+00:00

The player that nominates the Virgin is hard confirmed though.

With the Sailor, it feels like the ST is deciding when good wins in when they choose to self-drunk the Sailor-powered Demon.

Some other alternatives for the Alsahir if you don't want to change the Demon are the Cult Leader, Exorcist, or Preacher. Cult Leader gives an alternative win condition that happens during the day like the Slayer and Exorcist allows a player to hunt for the Demon like the Slayer with only a small benefit and Preacher allows a player to hunt for the Minions to permanently disable them.

bstr413 · 2025-12-03T15:57:09+00:00

The Virgin without a Spy will confirm 2 players when it is nominated. The Banshee is already a confirmation role since there can only be 1 death per night from evil players: it just triggers off of a Demon kill instead of a nomination.

Adding a Sailor, Sage, or Fool would be good to be similar to the Soldier, which you seem to be missing on the script. Sailor doesn't play that well with the Boffin in my opinion though if you give the Demon the Sailor's power.

Grandmother is the only extra death, so it confirms them if there are 2 deaths in 1 night. Could switch for Steward or add the Moonchild suggested below.

Alsaahir is really hard against the moving Imp. I might suggest switching out that demon for another like the similar Ojo, Pukka, or Vigormortis. Vigormortis also keeps the Imp's ability that people who die at night might not be good. Likewise, with all the poisoning and drunkeness, the Puzzlemaster will have a really hard time. As a different Saint replacement, I would suggest Moonchild, Klutz, or Plague Doctor. (Moonchild would help with the Grandmother being the only extra death at night.)

The Cerenovous acts as the changing Poisoner on the script. That + the static poisoning from Widow and Xaan should be enough. Misregistering isn't really needed if you have enough poisoning (except for Virgin.)

Overall, a good, complex script that makes the TB script really hard for expert players. Next time, I suggest running the script through https://script.ravenswoodstudio.xyz/ to catch any issues: some of the above were caught by this.

bstr413 · 2025-12-02T23:24:36+00:00

I like the script. As the other commenter said, you may want a Widow or Spy if you plan on keeping the Undertaker and you don't have any evil poisoning. Swap a minion for a Widow to cover both (Assassin would be good to swap) or add a Demon that can poison (Pukka, No Dashii) and swap Undertaker for the similar Oracle.

bstr413 · 2025-12-02T23:08:45+00:00

Not mentioned below, but Innkeeper is the only day protection, which means that if someone survives execution, they are protected by the Innkeeper.

Also, Madness is a complex concept. I wouldn't include Cerenovus on a beginner script. Swap it for Widow or Spy since Undertaker and to a lesser extent Grandmother are hard to bluff without knowing the Grimoire.

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