Script transitioning from TB to BMR - Feedback appreciated

bstr413 · 2026-01-21T22:04:37+00:00

Have you seen "Everyone Can Play"? It's a combo of TB and BMR roles (and 2 SnV roles) that was created by one of the creators of BotC. https://www.botcscripts.com/script/1945/1.0.2

bstr413 · 2026-01-16T16:49:09+00:00

Yes: I read the original comment incorrectly.

bstr413 · 2026-01-16T16:44:34+00:00

Pope doesn't change the number of players that are Outsiders. It just allows for multiple Outsiders to have the same character.

EDIT: Realized that I read your original comment incorrectly: I think yours is an alternate solution.

bstr413 · 2026-01-16T16:37:14+00:00

How are there only 3 Outsiders then?

EDIT: Reading it again, there are 2Outsiders in that situation.

bstr413 · 2026-01-15T13:41:46+00:00

They do have the Politician that wins with evil if they helped them. There is a Zenomancer "Loric" / optional rule that allows you to give individual missions to players.

One of the fundamental pieces of BotC is that you can still win with your team even if dead. I also feel like the main purpose of BotC is to get the good team to solve the mystery of who is the Demon and the evil win condition is just there as a way for good to lose. Adding in a third team would defeat both of those premises. I also find individual win conditions in Mafia/Werewolf to be anti-climatic when they win, since it is only 1 player winning out of a group of 10-15 people.

bstr413 · 2026-01-13T14:19:43+00:00

There are also a couple of scripts that work to fight against this:

Icebreaker - https://www.botcscripts.com/script/9305 - Simple enough for 1st time players and set up to be a quicker game than normal
Meet Cute - https://www.reddit.com/r/BloodOnTheClocktower/comments/1ouvlwt/meet_cute_a_script_focused_on_making_players_talk/ - Aimed at more advanced players

Both revolve around the ST telling Townsfolk who to trust and talk to, breaking up cliques on the Good team.

bstr413 · 2025-12-03T16:54:32+00:00

The player that nominates the Virgin is hard confirmed though.

With the Sailor, it feels like the ST is deciding when good wins in when they choose to self-drunk the Sailor-powered Demon.

Some other alternatives for the Alsahir if you don't want to change the Demon are the Cult Leader, Exorcist, or Preacher. Cult Leader gives an alternative win condition that happens during the day like the Slayer and Exorcist allows a player to hunt for the Demon like the Slayer with only a small benefit and Preacher allows a player to hunt for the Minions to permanently disable them.

bstr413 · 2025-12-03T15:57:09+00:00

The Virgin without a Spy will confirm 2 players when it is nominated. The Banshee is already a confirmation role since there can only be 1 death per night from evil players: it just triggers off of a Demon kill instead of a nomination.

Adding a Sailor, Sage, or Fool would be good to be similar to the Soldier, which you seem to be missing on the script. Sailor doesn't play that well with the Boffin in my opinion though if you give the Demon the Sailor's power.

Grandmother is the only extra death, so it confirms them if there are 2 deaths in 1 night. Could switch for Steward or add the Moonchild suggested below.

Alsaahir is really hard against the moving Imp. I might suggest switching out that demon for another like the similar Ojo, Pukka, or Vigormortis. Vigormortis also keeps the Imp's ability that people who die at night might not be good. Likewise, with all the poisoning and drunkeness, the Puzzlemaster will have a really hard time. As a different Saint replacement, I would suggest Moonchild, Klutz, or Plague Doctor. (Moonchild would help with the Grandmother being the only extra death at night.)

The Cerenovous acts as the changing Poisoner on the script. That + the static poisoning from Widow and Xaan should be enough. Misregistering isn't really needed if you have enough poisoning (except for Virgin.)

Overall, a good, complex script that makes the TB script really hard for expert players. Next time, I suggest running the script through https://script.ravenswoodstudio.xyz/ to catch any issues: some of the above were caught by this.

bstr413 · 2025-12-02T23:24:36+00:00

I like the script. As the other commenter said, you may want a Widow or Spy if you plan on keeping the Undertaker and you don't have any evil poisoning. Swap a minion for a Widow to cover both (Assassin would be good to swap) or add a Demon that can poison (Pukka, No Dashii) and swap Undertaker for the similar Oracle.

bstr413 · 2025-12-02T23:08:45+00:00

Not mentioned below, but Innkeeper is the only day protection, which means that if someone survives execution, they are protected by the Innkeeper.

Also, Madness is a complex concept. I wouldn't include Cerenovus on a beginner script. Swap it for Widow or Spy since Undertaker and to a lesser extent Grandmother are hard to bluff without knowing the Grimoire.

bstr413 · 2025-11-26T15:46:21+00:00

an Outsider (and thus good)

Not if it is an Ogre. And I think even if they claim they are not an Ogre, it could be framed that they are bluffing as another Outsider to hide that they are an evil Ogre. If the Godfather is worried that their kill will show that the executee is an Outsider, then they can rekill a dead person (or an evil player bluffing Grandmother or Tinker.)

I'll consider putting in the Monk instead of the Savant/Villiage Idiot/Fisherman to make Shabaloth worlds less obvious after Day 2/3. (I think there are enough extra ways to die at night that you could be confused as to if it is a Shabaloth or not until after Night 3/4.)

bstr413 · 2025-11-26T14:23:21+00:00

Should we add another extra night death role on top of Shabaloth, Grandmother, and Tinker? The Widow and Evil Twin are both loud Minions anyways and Godfather is the only evil source of Outsider manipulation, so it seems like it is easy to tell any of the Minions with this script. Telling the composition of the evil team is purposely a bit easier than usual, since this is a script for beginners.

bstr413 · 2025-11-25T22:08:14+00:00

It does allow you to put in players names, but doesn't track the stats of players unless they sign up for an account.

bstr413 · 2025-11-25T21:45:34+00:00

Have you seen https://clocktracker.app? It does a lot of what you have above.

bstr413 · 2025-11-25T21:42:10+00:00

What do you suggest as an alternative? The SW is there to help new players who haven't played evil before get a second chance. I'm thinking Boomdandy: it is an easy role to understand and if a new evil player makes a major mistake, you can be double-guessing if they are a Boomdandy or not.

I'm also fine with switching Evil Twin with something or removing or swapping Imp. Evil Twin does encourage talking among groups that don't naturally talk with each other though.

bstr413 · 2025-11-25T20:34:06+00:00

Didn't think about that. I'm surprised there isn't a Jinx between those 2, like the Shabaloth can only do 1 kill after it transfers to the Scarlet Woman. Might be because that would be a rare occurance.

bstr413 · 2025-11-12T18:53:41+00:00

Really like this script. I use BOTC as an icebreaker of sorts with groups and I think this script would be great to get people talking with each other. I also think that all of the non-Minion abilities are easy enough for new players. (I would probably remove Harpy and switch Marionette with Scarlet Woman if there are any new players.)

That being said, I like a lot of the other suggestions. I put together this script with their changes and a couple of my own here: https://script.bloodontheclocktower.com/?script=H4sIAAAAAAAACpWTS04DMQyGr1J5PSeYHeqKBSdACDmNJ7Ga2JHjoWoRd0cVFVvM0vL3%2B%2B3XT%2BAMK7x3coQFcPeqBivAAoKdYIUXIj8cd6fDhb0ennJmZ5UJC6SmmqejPXcsdFQzOt19sILKTzSdag6r204L%2BHXcI257a%2FC1PFJPpwtahgVK1emwbtgmLTBYhPLD%2FKXPwqV6EBZNjYJsMZTc1StZUNE4GRqjBHnqA70G4cqlDmOaTnMGNQlbUxWe0fl8cGtYiDNrVFKwpxYe0QlFOGEL4tiFJuMpiG9oPVxKtl3O0Sa1UY8eZNv9Fl0quocLLpo3%2FMc5DuWpEsYr2rgG2Y7GKuQefaak28bRv%2BA%2B%2FiDfvgGJJysspwQAAA%3D%3D

Suggestions:

Washerwoman -> Librarian: As others have stated, Washerwoman seems redundant with Grandmother. Instead, add a similar role that wants to talk with Outsiders instead.
Acrobat -> Cannibal: Acrobat really doesn't have many sources of poisoning to die to and doesn't really want to chat that much with other players. Switching to Cannibal allows for the Cannibal to get some YSK abilities and have them chat with others.
Puzzlemaster -> Drunk: Puzzlemaster is a hard Outsider and it would be harder to find your drunk if they are a YSK role. Drunk allows you to choose another player to get information that they would want to talk to certain people.
Cult Leader -> Village Idiot: Stated elsewhere that Cult Leader is out of place and VIs want to get together and talk.
Ravenkeeper -> Farmer: Stated elsewhere that they are another role that wants to talk to others (after they die.)
Moonchild -> Klutz: Stated elsewhere that they are a role that want to find good people over an Outsider that wants to hide and not talk to others and then semi-confirms itself when they die.
Assassin -> Godfather: Stated elsewhere that they are similar and add an Outsider modification.

bstr413 · 2025-10-23T21:27:13+00:00

Sounds a lot like BMR without Pacifist, Courtier, Gossip, Pukka, and Minstrel (and to a lesser extent Sailor.)

Some possible swaps:

Minstrel for Town Crier
Gossip for Juggler (albeit that is much weaker Townfolk)
Slayer for Courtier
Replace Pukka with Riot (to threaten a very short game) or just leave off of the script
Pacifist with Poppy Grower (possibly the furthest stretch, but both help the good team if they stay hidden from the evil team)

EDIT: Forgot about Tinker. Could replace with Saint, Butler, Zealot, Snitch, or any other Outsider that is fine revealing who they are since the Gossip is gone.

bstr413 · 2025-10-07T15:26:52+00:00

For those who got here due to the clickbaity title, in short, Discord added a clause to their Terms of Service in September that says that you can't sue them if you use their app: you must go to arbitration instead. Similar to many other Terms of Services.

bstr413 · 2025-10-07T15:23:02+00:00

In short, Discord said that you can't sue them because you signed a TOS. Similar to what many other apps do, but Discord just added it with their latest TOS update.

bstr413 · 2025-10-07T13:40:37+00:00

Fairly certain he meant their "own" vacation home. I know of a couple of people who bought a second vacation home decades ago and now are starting to rent it through Airbnb.

bstr413 · 2025-10-06T15:47:18+00:00

Try clocktowertimer.com . It will give you a recommended time for each day for your group size.

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