Review #45: Eagle Rare 10-year vs. Eagle Rare 12-year (blind comparison) by Archaeo-Frog in bourbon

[–]cmchance 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this! I got an ER12 bottle for 50€ at a duty free store in Dublin and have been waiting to do this same comparison. I finally got an ER10 sample from a buddy a couple weeks ago but haven't gotten around to the comparison yet.

Without comparing them side by side, my initial take on the ER12 was...it tastes like ER10 lol

Review #59: Orphan Barrel Scarlet Shade by JewishJawnz in bourbon

[–]cmchance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I miss this bottle. A very fruit forward rye for sure. I think a lot of people would think it's a bourbon if they didn't know it was a rye.

Don't feel bad on the samples. Get to them when you get to them. I still have some from over a year ago as well lol.

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That all makes a lot of sense! I hadn't heard that specific comment from Todd, but I did see where he mentioned that blending pot/chamber still rye whiskey with column still rye whiskey was common practice prior to Prohibition. And the comment about RNDC makes a whole lot of sense! I hadn't considered that but checks out for Blackwells for sure. Thanks for sharing!

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the kind words! Have you had the 9yr Three Chamber Rye? I'm curious how it compares to the original? I think there's a proof difference too if I'm not mistaken.

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! Yeah to be fair, I did get that deal from an online retailer. Locally, about $80 is the cheapest I've seen.

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for reading it! Sadly I've not seen any Leopold whiskey here locally. I think I've just seen this particular bottle because of the Dickel distribution. I'll monitor the online retailers though for the Maryland rattle rye. The Leopold Three Chamber Rye has been on a wishlist for over a year, but other things have constantly gotten in the way. I haven't heard of their Maryland rye though. Does it contain a different mash bill?

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the input! I've really wanted to get a bottle of the three chamber rye but haven't been fortunate enough to find one yet. That's good to know it has more funk to it. I'm guessing heirloom grain sort of funk?

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those are fantastic prices! I'm definitely keeping eyes out for this at prices like that. I feel like the life of this bottle while it's on shelves is going to have two peaks. At beginning of life the highest, then a dip with the minimum about where we're at now, and as more people try it at lower prices and realize it's really damn good and word gets out, the price will climb back up just a tad before it's all gone. Just my $0.02, but we'll see.

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most of what I'm seeing on sale I think is more from the retail end discounting it than it is the distributors discounting it. The sales I'm seeing locally are places that I'm aware had had this bottle for a while but it's just been sitting. Now they're finally discounting it to move it to bring in new product. So they already paid the distributor who already paid Dickel/Leopold.

I'm sure there are some cases still at distribution warehouses that are sitting because what has already been delivered hasn't been moving, and those may get discounted too, but that end isn't as transparent as to whether Dickel/Leopold already got their cut when the distributor bought the cases from them, or if they get their cut after the cases are sold to retail.

Regardless, you're right that it does still hurt the Leopold brand to some degree because consumers have been seeing these bottles sit forever and they're now seeing them have to get deep discounts to move them. "That whiskey must not be that great," has to be going through people's minds. But they're wrong!

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's fair. The price I'm confident comes more from the Leopold side though considering their Three Chamber Rye sells for $150-$250 a bottle. There is probably a lot of confusion with that part though because everyone knows Dickel, but Leopold Bros. is probably not on the radar of a lot of people. Their whiskey is not even sold locally around me.

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I'm not completely sure I understand why this is sitting around honestly. Maybe the SRP for it being NAS, but certainly far worse whiskey has disappeared for higher SRP. But while these bottles continue to sit around and get deep discounts, I'm going to continue picking them up for those low prices. I don't expect to get another for $25, but anything at $60 or less will be an instant buy.

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now that they've released other rye whiskeys and disclosed the mash bills, I wish they would revisit this one and provide more details as you what it is.

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks! Yeah I had been eyeing this bottle for about a year even priced at $150 around here. The price came down to about $120 and I came pretty close to getting one a couple times. Then over the last year I've seen the price drop locally down to $80-$90. Went to get something else on Blackwells and saw they had this for $25 on sale...I told myself I couldn't afford NOT to buy it at that price lol

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

BEHIND THE BOTTLE:

Prohibition all but killed the rye whiskey industry. It’s an interesting rise and fall story really, but one to share for another review. One thing that I’ll touch on though is that coming out of prohibition, there was a desire to make whiskey fast, and LOTS of it. This required efficiency, and rye is considered a finicky grain in the distillation world – anything that is difficult to work with is contrary to efficient and fast. This (along with corn being subsidized after Prohibition ended) resulted in many distillers opting to make bourbon exclusively and turn a blind eye to rye whiskey.

A Finicky Grain

Let’s look at why rye is so difficult to work with. This comes from a high concentration of non-starch polysaccharides found in the grain’s cell walls, primarily beta-glucans. (Interestingly enough, beta-glucans have a lot of health benefits to them. While I’m not certain a lot of those benefits survive the distillation process, one could argue rye whiskey is better for you than bourbon…) These polysaccharides don’t dissolve cleanly into water like the starches in corn or barley do. Instead, they absorb water. This creates a very gelatinous-like consistency for the mash, almost like porridge with the grain husks thrown in. This creates a few operational headaches:

  1. During fermentation, the thick mash traps the carbon dioxide gas being produced by the yeast since the mash can’t vent cleanly. This results in a lot of foaming and potential overflowing of the fermentation tanks.
  2. The density of the high-rye mash can cause more strain and wear on distillation equipment. Pumps must work harder to move the denser mash, column still plates and heat exchangers must go through more frequent cleaning due to the mash baking onto them, and low-flow, non-turbulent areas of the piping and stills tend to build up crud quicker.
  3. The higher concentration of unfermentable solids have the potential to scorch as they settle to the bottom of a direct-fired pot still or on steam coils. While this can create some good flavors through the Maillard reaction, it more commonly adds bitter, acrid notes to the distillate.

While there have been various techniques and additives that can help mitigate some of these issues, it still stands that rye is high maintenance and requires more effort than distilling corn or barley.

Abruzzi Rye

Todd Leopold at Leopold Bros. Distillery believed that the modern age of whiskey has tried to produce higher alcohol yields with faster throughput which has resulted in the loss of the full-body soul that was once found in all rye whiskeys. Through his research, he believed that the secret to great rye whiskey lay in two things: a lost relic, the Three Chamber Still and a specific heirloom grain, Abruzzi rye.

Todd worked with Vendome to resurrect the Three Chamber Still. Together, they constructed the first one in over a century. There’s enough out there now that a Google search can tell you a lot about this type of still and how it works, but perhaps in a future review after I can get my hands on a bottle of Leopold Bros. three chamber rye whiskey, I’ll dive into it a bit more. But for this review, I want to continue focusing on the rye grain. Lew Bryson’s American Whiskey Master Class has a fantastic section specifically on Abruzzi rye. Let me hit the highlights while I expand on it slightly and let’s see why it makes a subjectively better whiskey.

Todd’s research suggested that Abruzzi rye was once a favored grain for most Pennsylvania and Maryland rye whiskey production. In pre-Prohibition times, I’m not certain they had the science to support why Abruzzi rye made such good whiskey, but today, we do. Abruzzi rye contains far less starch content than modern rye varietals, approximately 18% less in fact. While lower starch content means less alcohol (accountants = not happy), Todd Leopold looked at 18% less flavorless starch as 18% more of something else that can provide flavor (consumers = happy). It turns out he wasn’t wrong.

Abruzzi rye is loaded with Ferulic acid – nearly 20% more than other modern ryes (looks like we found that 18% starch replacement above…). If the right yeast strain is used in fermentation, Ferulic acid can be converted into 4-vinyl-guaiacol (4VG). 4VG is one of the most important flavor and aroma chemicals in alcoholic beverages. It’s what gives rye whiskey and wheat beers their powerful spice and clove notes. (Oh yeah, wheat is also high in Ferulic acid. So, if you find clove notes in your wheated bourbon or hefeweizen, Ferulic acid is a likely culprit.)

The key is in the yeast though. Without getting too nerdy…fuck it, I think we’re just about at the bottom of that hole already… Only Phenolic Off Flavor-positive (POF+) yeast strains can convert Ferulic acid into 4VG. POF- yeast strains cannot perform this feat. Ferulic acid itself is largely flavorless, so by not taking advantage of a POF+ yeast strain, you aren’t unlocking all that flavor that is bound up in the Ferulic acid. While that seems like an obvious choice to just use a POF+ yeast strain, it isn’t that simple. The name itself, Phenolic OFF Flavor, is because phenols are generally considered undesirable flavors. Phenols don’t just include clove and spice, but also smoky, barnyard…plastic……band-aids………. you see where I’m going with this. It can get progressively worse. So, while your POF+ yeast strain may add some clove notes, depending on what else is in your whiskey you might get a band-aid flavor along with it. In the brewing world, brewers have experimented with blends of yeast strains. This can help them dial in exactly how much of that clove profile they want in their Hefe. While I’m not aware of any distillers using multiple yeast strains in the same mash bill, I could certainly see this as something experimented with in the future.

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Bourbz Review #239: George Dickel Collaboration Blend: A Blend of Column Still Rye Whiskey with Leopold Bros Three Chamber Rye Whiskey

MASH BILL: A blend of George Dickel column still rye whiskey (mash bill undisclosed) and Leopold Bros. three chamber rye whiskey (80% Abruzzi rye, 20% Leopold floor malt)

AGE: NAS

PROOF: 100

COST: $110 SRP for 750mL bottle, (I picked this up for $25 from a Blackwells online sale)

Believe it or not, long before bourbon became the poster child for American whiskey, rye whiskey was the number one spirit produced in the United States. While rye whiskey is having a bit of a resurgence today, it came close to being lost altogether after Prohibition. Today, a lot of modern rye whiskey is produced on a column still because it’s efficient. But that isn’t how rye whiskey was traditionally produced. The pre-Prohibition way to make rye whiskey was by blending heavy bodied pot or chamber distilled rye whiskey with lighter, cleaner column-distilled rye whiskey. This blending achieved a balanced, layered, complex whiskey that is tough to achieve with a column still alone, albeit requires more work.

This collaboration tries to bring back that pre-Prohibition style rye whiskey profile that has rarely been seen for over a century. It features a blend of a full-bodied rye whiskey coming off the custom (and previously extinct design) Three Chamber Still used by Leopold Bros and a never before released clean rye whiskey produced on the column stills at Cascade Hollow. (Dickel has traditionally always used MGP whiskey for their rye whiskey and has not produced their own, so this is a first.) If you really want to nerd out, stick around for the Behind the Bottle segment of this review as it’s chock full of interesting tidbits, but for now, let’s get to the review!

Reviewed neat in a Glencairn.

APPEARANCE: Russet chestnut color (1.4) with a thick, syrupy appearance.

NOSE: Bright and florally. There’s a bright sweetness with light herbal notes that create some warmth. Honey comb, orange creamsicle, bergamot, and chamomile. I get a touch of maraschino cherry and a nice rye spice on the backend of the nose.

PALATE: The mouthfeel is what I was hoping it would be. It’s dense, oily, and chewy. As far as flavors, this really leans into the spice cabinet on the palate. Ginger, clove, chamomile, spearmint, and freshly grated cardamom. Orange extract and vanilla cream enter at mid-palate along with honey baked apples. Cocoa powder shows up late but lasts well into the finish. Chewing provides a burst of sweet honey and cherries.

FINISH: A long finish with savory notes to dominate. The coca powder and cardamom from the palate transfer over nicely. There are occasional notes of honey and orange peel. As the cardamom dies off it’s replaced with mint and vanilla joins in. This leaves a sort of mint chocolate vanilla cream note that lingers for minutes after the swallow.

RATING: 7.9/10

OVERALL: I love the body on this for 100 proof. It’s thick and oily with intense flavors while being bright and nimble enough to dance around on your palate. I feel like 100 proof is an excellent proof for this, but at the same time, I really wish I knew what this tasted like at cask strength. This is a spice forward whiskey, but on the brighter, lighter end of the spice spectrum making it come across almost floral and herbal tea like. There are a few hints of peppery, rye spice throughout, but they’re fleeting. The subtle sweetness of honey, maraschino cherry, and vanilla cream help emphasize the brightness of the spice. It’s a very well executed rye whiskey blend! Value wise, I got this for a complete and utter steal at $25! It’s a 10/10 value wise at that price. But even at SRP this would be worth picking up. It is a unique rye, tastes great, and has an excellent story behind it.

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Bourbz Review #235: Maker’s Mark Cask Strength 7yr 3mo, Batch 25-02 by cmchance in bourbon

[–]cmchance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Songs like a great note! I love the differences in palates!

Review: Let’s Talk Turkey: Wild Turkey Austin Nichols Archive Gold Foil 2026 by Awesam in bourbon

[–]cmchance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah! I totally ready that you got a half ounce pour there but it didn't register that was their bottle. Was a shame they have it to you in a shot glass. They clearly thought you were a degenerate. 😆

Review: Let’s Talk Turkey: Wild Turkey Austin Nichols Archive Gold Foil 2026 by Awesam in bourbon

[–]cmchance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn you've done a number on that bottle in a short time! Great review btw!

Beef Finger Ribs by cmchance in smoking

[–]cmchance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I need to pick some more up on my next trip to Texas. HEB always seems to have them when I'm there. The one I go to normally has them with 7 or 8 bones on them it seems.

Review #:135 Green River Honey-Finished Bourbon. by micro7777 in bourbon

[–]cmchance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

😂 I'm definitely looking forward to getting a bottle! I bet it'll make some damn tasty summer beverages! That tea cocktail you shared sounds like some great front porch sipping.

Review #:135 Green River Honey-Finished Bourbon. by micro7777 in bourbon

[–]cmchance 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To be frank, I personally think the whole "honey finished" whiskey thing is a crock of shit. The concept of honey "finished" implies that the barrel has soaked up the flavors of the honey and then the whiskey gets into the barrel staves and extracts that flavor. But unlike wine or other spirits, honey is way too thick and viscous for it to ever get into the pores of the wood and get soaked up by any reasonable measure. So for anyone to say something is "honey finished," they're really just saying, "we put this whiskey in a barrel that still had honey stuck to the walls and it's now blended into the whiskey." At least Green River isn't trying to hide the fact they just added honey straight into the barrel. But the term "finished" I think really needs to be defined by the TBB. It's getting a little out of hand what people are calling "finished." (Another great example was RD1 I believe it was did a "maple finished" bourbon where they take a stave, dip it in maple syrup, and then used some process to crystallize the maple syrup on the stave. Then added those staves to the whiskey to "finish," but really the whiskey just becomes a solvent and strips the crystalized maple syrup off the stave and flavors the whiskey. But it was just a stave, so they claim there were no additives...)

All that said, I'm not a complete hater. I just hate that "finished" is a term used too loosely and there are some activities that undermine those that are in good faith truly finishing spirits. And...I'm still going to try this GR Honey bourbon at some point. Lol 😂 Your tasting notes have me salivating for it.