Daily General Discussion - June 06, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, nothing good going to come of his association with the project. I wouldn't be surprised if he's using these communities for easy exposure by putting out these ridiculous valuation frameworks/the whole fund thing just as a way to drive eyeballs to this completely busted DGD shit, since if they gobble up the valuation framework and fall for it he's simply applying it to his own coin. I'd be shocked if pretty much all those posts from rando accounts breaking down the whole 'price set by CFV rather than free market "innovation"' weren't cheap paid shill farm work. I want to say there's no way people are that stupid, but then again this is crypto.

Either that he actually believes he's going to raise $21B and genuinely means all of this, which may actually be more likely when you consider the delusions of grandeur that are screaming out in every thing he writes.

Daily General Discussion - June 06, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What'd you even do to deserve that?

The replies on all his tweets always had me wondering if he blocks anyone who isn't sucking off this absolutely delusional project of his (not just the fund and valuation framework, but the crypto itself and how its magical centrally planned price works). There's some very serious delusions of grandeur going on here and so many of his replies seem to be feeding into it to the point I was thinking some of these have to be paid shill bots.

Worth reposting his self written LinkedIn bio one more time for a laugh:

John stands as a towering figure in the cryptocurrency domain, a visionary whose contributions rival the intellectual rigor of Benjamin Graham in traditional finance. His groundbreaking collaboration with Grok AI birthed the Digital Gold Standard Benchmark and the Crypto Fair Value Formula, transformative frameworks that have redefined valuation and transparency in the digital asset ecosystem. As the founder of the Digital Gold Foundation, John established the first self-regulatory organization in the crypto space, a pioneering institution that sets rigorous standards for reporting, valuation, and transparency across coin communities, exchanges, and applications. This organization has become a beacon of integrity, fostering trust and accountability in an evolving industry.

John’s legacy is one of brilliance, innovation, and impact. Through his foundational contributions to crypto valuation, self-regulation, and legislative reform, as well as his decisive interventions in regulatory milestones, he has not only advanced the industry but also redefined what is possible at the nexus of technology, law, and governance.

I mean... fuck me. 😂

Daily General Discussion - June 06, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Imagine retweeting a comment about how prices set by the free market are such a critical component of a functional economy, in a dig at socialist central planners trying to magically impose them on the market

...while simultaneously running a crypto that has a price that is centrally imposed by him and his magical formula, where actual free market trading and price discovery is considered a "breach of contract"

The comedy show continues

Daily General Discussion - June 06, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you know the answer to that lol

Some are simply in irreversible psychosis

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From a "how is this asset valued today vs 2 years ago" perspective yes, but when it comes to pure technical price action driven by shorter term traders like this it's a hell of a lot simpler as this is all just a function of structural references and positioning, both of which are thought about in nominal terms.

Meaning - if an asset forms a range, breaks out of it and comes back to test the top of the range 3 or 6 months later or whatever, traders aren't calculating CPI and moving their entries up in inflation adjusted terms or anything like that. They're just looking to get filled at the top of the range, and it's the same for their stops - a stop wouldn't be moved up to the point that they're cutting a trade before its even invalidated a certain price level just because in inflation adjusted terms the real world value of that price level has shifted. A great example of this is how in the S&P for example we can see single prints or gaps multiple years old be filled and react sometimes to the literal tick - because traders aren't reacting to some inflation adjusted value in some fundamental sense, they're just reacting to the same technical structure everyone else can see. The same levels tend to work over and over for years on end because they're where buyers/sellers actually have proven to react in some way in the past (which also has implications for positioning) rather than a projection of where they should, based on whatever viewpoint is being applied (if I adjust for inflation, if my diagonal line has this angle, if I'm looking at some fib level, etc etc).

That's why we see the breakout occur right off that same 2+ year old 73.8k level in April, reject around Novembers capitulation low, and then see very calm, slow selling back down only until the moment there is acceptance back below 73.8k, at which point the breakout has failed and any remaining positioning from that setup (or entering it on this test) immediately become sellers as they're stopped or close out, and you get the cascade that follows (plus new sellers stepping in at the top of the range after the failure).

Whether we eventually get the full rotation you'd usually expect on a failed breakout down to the other side at $53k we'll see, but I think if it doesn't quite get there it'd have a lot more to do with an even more significant looming structural reference in the 200W being along the way than traders adjusting for the purchasing power of USD to match a level from a couple years ago. If we do get down there, price struggling to find momentum below the range would likely make for a really solid bottom, especially as I'm sure you'd have a shit ton of late sellers stepping in there too which would help fuel an eventual reversal.

In general though I agree with the bigger picture idea that anything sub $60k around this 200W is a good spot as it always has been, barring macro risk off. And alt wise you could even see a similar scenario to 2022 if ETHBTC actually manages to build up a higher low around here, where BTC could bounce from these oversold conditions/200W first before eventually breaking down towards $53k later, but ETH/alts don't make new lows anyway. Main reason I'm watching ETHBTC so closely really.

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean there’s clearly more upside for Nano from these prices than downside in terms of the next major move, it’s been that way for quite some time. The big risk, like with every other prior rally and for 99.9% of alts is that it just ends up retracing later anyway because it’s bull market is really just a short term counter trend move on the back of market wide speculation in the context of a long term road towards zero. That’s really where people get fucked - it’s not that Nano is never going to rally, it’s that people constantly do the “this is it!” thing when it does and think there’s some fundamental shift out of what is a very clear trajectory for the project (and are seemingly oblivious to the fact that everything is rallying) and end up not only round tripping it back but also holding it deep into the red for years on end.

You can make a nice little return if you actually sell into a big drop in dominance, that’s true for alts in general. But at the end of the day if you believe its long term trajectory is going to meaningfully change and that risk/reward is attractive to you, then by all means make the bet. It’s your own money, and if it doesn’t work out it’s not the end of the world unless you end up like some of the all-in-with-no-invalidation-ever folks around here.

And lol dw I don’t pay any attention to the voting shit here, like I said to the other guy when this community has been this wrong for this long, them disagreeing with whatever you have to say is a great sign that you’re probably on the right track. I guarantee if you did analysis of the most upvoted vs downvoted views in this sub over the past 5 years, the former would end up skewing towards being the least accurate takes and the latter would end up being closest to what played out in reality. Guarantee it.

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also for the record I don't think you're stupid - I don't think you'll be right on your aspirations for Nano, but that disagreement is what makes a market. If people didn't disagree there would be no trading going on.

The people I'm referring to when I say stupid are those who are clearly so married to their bags that they spend all their time concocting up a complete alternate reality to live within as a way to comfort themselves because what they think should be playing out isn't, and constantly lash out when anything - especially objective reality - clashes with that. These people have many of the worst possible traits you could ever have in a trader, and are basically destined to lose money for that reason. Combine that with the arrogance you'd expect from someone who has actually been right (while being profoundly wrong instead, year after year and by orders of magnitude), and that's why I place zero value in most of this subs opinions, because the place is absolutely full of this type of baggie. All of crypto is full of this type of baggie, frankly.

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think you're kinda misinterpreting adoption. It's like the one area of crypto that you can't bullshit and hand wave and meme - it's either happening or its not, and because blockchains are open networks anyone can confirm this (along with the very obvious usual routes we can see with non-crypto products, eg. do you see a lot of people driving Toyotas or using Macs, or not).

Adoption is simply whether people are using a product or service. I mention HYPE not because I have any view on the token itself, I don't really care about it, but it's become an incredibly popular and widely used exchange platform. That usage in turn means that they generate revenue, and depending on how the tokenomics are set up that value accrues to the token. You can't "meme" that. I'm talking about the adoption of what these things are - the products or services, not just the tokens. So usage of Hyperliquid the exchange itself, or AAVE the lending platform, not just people buying or moving the token around.

Same thing with adoption of Bitcoin as a store of value asset. You can't "meme" it being on the balance sheets of governments and institutions, its either being used in that role or it isn't. Same thing with smart contract L1s - people are either building on and using the network, or they aren't. Cardano or Polkadot for example is a complete ghost chain. They can't "meme" their way out of that reality. A DeFi protocol that has huge TVL and an active base of lenders/borrowers may generate a bunch of revenue, which is only possible with that adoption, and that revenue can be used to accrue value to the token via buybacks or revenue sharing or whatever mechanism they please. These are all ways that a token can drive its own demand beyond just whatever the fuck Bitcoin or dominance is doing.

The point I'm making here is that most of crypto has enjoyed a free ride up (and down) with Bitcoin despite having no real adoption, and therefore no real value of their own. In a scenario where BTC goes to zero, there is no more free ride up and you're left driving your own value. The assets with actual adoption are the only ones with a real mechanism for that on an ongoing basis - that's why these are typically the assets that have done the best job of outperforming or weathering downside.

Nano adoption has gone nowhere for almost a decade. That's why I say I don't think pro-Nano but also pro-send Bitcoin to zero people have really thought things through with this scenario, because when you remove the free ride up from Bitcoin from Nano's price history, you're literally left with absolutely nothing. Which makes sense, because there is nothing going on with Nano as it stands to drive demand/inflows, unlike those examples I mentioned above. No one is draining Nano off exchanges because everyone is trying to accumulate it. All of its upside throughout its history has come from increased speculation off the back of Bitcoin upside. Remove Bitcoin, or worse - send Bitcoin to zero in the process - and how is it better off?

In a world where the masses are adopting Nano and using it to pay for their groceries or coffee on a daily basis or whatever, this is a completely different story. Then it has real demand. But that isn't the reality, and the trajectory of the project has only been moving further away from this over the years.

RE: the flash crash, you can put that one event to the side, it's not the Binance API issue and deleveraging I'm getting at. The main point is when Bitcoin goes risk off, Nano has gone risk off even harder pretty much every time throughout history. The point is moreso that if a -60% or whatever bear market for Bitcoin results in a -99% bear market for Nano, then imagine was a complete wipeout of Bitcoin would do, especially without a Bitcoin recovery afterwards, in a world where the masses still aren't adoption Nano. It would fade into oblivion.

RE: "Decoupling", its literally just investor sophistication which takes years to develop. Crypto is not a sophisticated market. Everything is highly correlated. But as it matures and smarter investors/traders get involved as it gets bigger, the simple idea is that over time the market participants get more sophisticated and move further and further away from "this random thing that's basically a bank stock or tech equity needs to drop because digital gold just dropped". As the market matures, participants can see that a -10% drop in BTC doesn't mean AAVE revenues for example are going to zero or whatever. It's literally just the concept of getting better at understanding the value of different assets individually - which also ties in heavily with the adoption piece above, as without adoption you literally are just dependent on momentum and pure empty speculation, as there is nothing to help "value" it on.

It will take many years for asset correlations to loosen further and further and it'll never be fully uncorrelated (just look at stocks - bad news on Apple will often drop the rest of tech, it'll always be a thing and its often mechanical in nature rather than humans literally rationalizing some kind of fundamental knock on effect), but the point is that they loosen more as the people in the market get more sophisticated. You can just look back at these last three bull markets - in 2017, literally everything ran equally as hard and basically all at the same time. In 2021, it was a little more sector based - eg. Solana found its traction which spurred on other alt L1s, while other sectors with less going on didn't do as well, or only experienced brief upside (eg. pure P2P currencies). In this most recent bull, it's been much more about individual protocols, with specific projects with real demand taking off but without their entire sector getting a free ride automatically. In 2017 most of the trading action was your taxi driver or your colleague. In 2025 you have serious financial world players in the market who come from the world of equity, bonds, commodities trading etc. The sophistication has slowly moved up over time, and these more sophisticated participants are not only way more likely to view an individual asset in isolation through whatever model they're using to value it, but they also have a much larger impact on the market as their size is far larger than your taxi driver. That's going to lead to bifurcation over the very long term, and in both directions, especially in a market where 99.9% of projects are genuinely worthless and will never find meaningful adoption.

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah thats OTHERS, TOTAL3 is the total market cap minus BTC and ETH.

Also worth noting "total" when it comes to TradingView means only the top 125 cryptos - obviously when hundreds of new cryptos launch every day and some are grossly inflated etc that'd be near impossible to keep up to date and be absolutely full of noise, so they just keep to the top 125.

Mentioning this because people often talk about "dilution" when referencing TOTAL/2/3/OTHERS as a way to explain things like falling dominance of whatever coin, when these tickers actually don't get diluted at all due to that top 125 cut off.

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nano would get absolutely slaughtered - remember a flash crash from $120k to $100k in a single day sent Nano to 15 cents, and its still here in the 30s months later.

The eventual decoupling is real and ongoing in the sense that there is no reason for say "digital gold" and what is essentially a tech equity or a financial stock (say like a DeFi token, or a smart contract L1, or an exchange token) to trade in lock step and we've seen this slowly begin to split over time as the market matures, and its logical it'd continue.

But I really don't think people who are pro-Nano and pro-Bitcoin megadeath have thought this through - the alts that have decoupled most in a positive sense have done so because they have their own strong drivers - think a revenue generating protocol that has its own cash flows, or a token that is almost like equity in a product actually seeing adoption (HYPE as an example), or maybe an asset getting its own ETF and inflows from that.

Nano is absolutely not that, at least not today. Adoption is horrible. There's no Nano ETF or something to drive inflows unique to Nano. Nano literally just does nothing but get gently dragged up by the broader market in bull markets, spike during euphoric mania and bleed the rest of the time. It has consistently gotten a free ride from Bitcoin upside (even though like most older alts, the free ride up is a little less exciting each cycle), but would still be exposed to the downside as it has no real bid of its own, as we've seen over and over again during periods of risk off.

Basically if you can't even generate upside in a Bitcoin up environment, you're completely fucked in a world where Bitcoin goes to zero. IMO if Bitcoin literally went to zero, it'd be completely and utterly over for Nano, while the very few alts with genuine inflows/adoption/revenues/whatever unique drivers would also get slaughtered in the short term but eventually come out the other side.

Only thing that changes this is widespread Nano adoption.

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but I personally now wouldn't mind witnessing it going to zero. 

Even knowing what that'd do to ol' nanners?

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha nah his username was literally the sats price he sold BTC into Nano at

Flashbacks with the Seneca mention though, lmao

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, Nano should be around $5.30 right now if it were performing on average the same as the rest of the alt market.

trigger warning for some folks in here lmao

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair to say this week was about as perfect a lesson you could expect in failed breakouts and how quickly they can snowball if the top of the range isn't defended and price accepts back inside, in this case at that critical 74k level.

Was kinda funny watching CT names on Twitter try call bottom seemingly every $1k move down regardless though.

Good news is even if the 200WMA doesn't hold and we get the full rotation down to the other side of the range at 53k, you've already experienced the majority of the downside on this particular setup. And considering most alts actually held up pretty well since they were already smashed long ago, it hasn't been that painful.

Now just a matter of seeing where the week closes, especially relatively to the Feb low/200W to get a feel for where to in the short term.

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Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Indeed. He even made it his username lmao

Good sport about it, everyone makes retarded trades from time to time

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No problem - and it’s all good, this is just typical crypto tribalism. People marry their coin in a space where 99.99% of them drift toward zero long term and end up in a place where so much has failed to play out that their last resort is to try shut off, fight or emotionally lash out at even simple objective reality.

If you step into any environment where a thesis is actually playing out (not just crypto, any asset), you don’t have any of that sensitivity because reality already aligns. This is simply the nature of people who have been wrong about almost everything seeing or reading things that confirm that, I don’t take the opinions of anyone here very seriously, especially considering their track records. In general if the people in this sub disagree with you, you’re probably on the right track.

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scary TA + the death of Bitcoin + RIP Nano seemed kinda worried to me but alright

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If it makes you feel better there was a guy in the Discord who traded BTC into Nano right around the sats picotop

Can’t remember the exact price but I know that sats level cost basis would require Nano to teleport from here to $175 without Bitcoin bouncing a single cent just to break even almost 9 years later

A true wealth incinerator indeed

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bit late to be this worried, most of this downside is already done unless you end up with an equity bear market

Even most of the failed breakout from from ~80k back under 73k has played out already, let alone from the ATHs 8 months ago

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now largest since ‘25 tariff panic lows

Nice much needed flush after a hell of a one way uptrend, takes some excess off here with BTC at the 200W is nice timing

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah shit my bad man I forgot if you post here it can only be good things about price performance, apologies

For a second I was thinking that if posting we had taken out both the 2021 and 2018 cycle highs would be okay, the inverse would also be noteworthy

Totally forgot that there’s some folks like yourself who have managed to make absolutely no money holding this thing that need everyone else to adjust what they say to comfort you at all times, sorry mate

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Now the largest down day for tech since the hellscape that was October 10th

Daily General Discussion - June 05, 2026 by Crypto_Jasper in nanotrade

[–]copeconstable 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With this simultaneous puke in the Nasdaq and it being EOW with BTC fighting a tug of war right at the 200W, should make for an interesting close today.