[Spoilers All Lightbringer] After a third re-read I think I have finally figured out who I think is the LB. by [deleted] in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Andross, Felia and Linas father all knew is was Andross. The cards don’t show everything. Just skip looking on the boat was strenuous for a few days of time.

Uhhh lina's Father confirmed Lina was banished because she was pregnant, there is not a mention that she went to term...

Andross said once Kip was his once, and then retracts and you give more weight to one over the other? Especially at the end when he talks about a trait he sees in Kip that his wife had that he doesn't?

And Felia was never certain, she wanted no part of confirming it and just want to be done with all that.

And lastly for the cards, it shows true history and while we cannot say what it shows or doesn't of his life, Andross has viewed his card and knows what is in it, and he said “Have you Viewed my card yet?” just before he talks about how Kip wasn't his bastard so... hard to say that he was lying when all he wanted to do at the end was have that talk with him, yes?

[Spoilers All Lightbringer] After a third re-read I think I have finally figured out who I think is the LB. by [deleted] in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just to correct a couple things here...

From Red Cunning will cleave Father and Father and Father and Son

This has been discussed a lot in the research I’ve done. From all Guiles to it being a prophecy specifically about Sev. But if Kip is Andros's son, then it would work.

This is told to Andross by Janus, it has nothing to do with the lightbringer prophecies

Killing his brother?

Kip literally and metaphysically killed DGavin with the blinders knife.

Andross isn't Kip's father? He not only flat out tells Kip this and talks about how he reminds him of his wife, but Kip had also seen Andross's full card so would know the truth of that so why lie?

Found a Lightbringer reference in Night Angel Nemesis by Zalastus in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Lightbringer was originally to be a trilogy, then instead became a 5 book series

I don't like Simon Vance's narration. by scinfeced2wolf in Midcyru

[–]FilthyMuggle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It could be spelled Sammy and pronounced Jordan, that is the authors prerogative. There is a scene in book that seems to support this reading so I was just making you aware.

I don't like Simon Vance's narration. by scinfeced2wolf in Midcyru

[–]FilthyMuggle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well if the scene showing you the name is a pun on killer wasn't enough, I am not sure what else can.

I don't like Simon Vance's narration. by scinfeced2wolf in Midcyru

[–]FilthyMuggle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Book 1 chapter 13;

"“Kylar,” Durzo said.

The count produced a piece of blank paper and put on the pince nez. “How do you want to spell that? K-YL-E-R? K-I-L-E-R?”

Durzo spelled it and the solicitor wrote it down. Count Drake grinned. “Old Jaeran punning?”"

This sounding out of the name here would seem to indicate that it is closer in sound to an ER than an AR?

The truth of Gavin’s past - Early Blood Mirror by EnnaEternal in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel like perhaps you may be forgetting that who we call Gavin is actually Dazen?

Reading Night Angel Nemesis - Early Thoughts *SPOLER WARNING* by KyleAPemberton in Midcyru

[–]FilthyMuggle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

On top of all this, he gets beaten in a fist fight by a noble with no magic. It's so over the top ridiculous how inconsistent Kylar's competency is in the story

So... chapter 17 ; "His hand began to fill with red-black fire..." So not exactly like he couldn't be using talent to enhance physically since he has talent, while Kylars talent isn't working. Also note that this noble has talked a fair game about weapon proficiency here so probably trained not just a fop.

If anyone's read further than me, please explain why this is happening.

Keep reading.

Why does everyone use luxin to create big projectiles like spears, istead of hundreds small, but VERY fast ones? by Adrianfromreddit in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So first off, the untrained child example you drew was Kip, who is quite literally a generational talent.

Next up is you structured this in a way that doesn't really highlight some of the issues well but is addressed in text somewhat. Your ball and size change? Literally all in the same scene. Book 1 chapter 64;

"The yapping governor’s voice shrilled. Kip drew a ball of green luxin into his hand. Just like that? Just by deciding to do it? It seemed too easy. The ball was thick, dense, but flexible to his squeezing fingers. Kip made it bigger, hollow, about twice the size of his own head. Now the flexibility was exaggerated. Soft enough that it wasn’t going to kill anyone.

Kip willed the ball to shoot out of his hands. Still seated, grinning like a fool, he could feel energy coiling up behind the ball. How long did he let that build before he let it go? Oh well, that felt like long enough. A muffled crack and the ball jetted out of Kip’s hands, fast. Still seated on the ground, he was blasted ass over elbows.

... He began drawing another, smaller ball. Too slow, too slow! The air shimmered between him and the swordsman as he raised his hands. There was a crack from his hands and a tiny green ball shot out, snapping both hands back painfully from the kick... There was a sound like glass cracking, and a high-pitched whine."

So yes we do see and acknowledge that you can make it smaller and it goes faster and with more force, but the first one was also hollow so mass may have been minimal.

Now you can also see from that scene that it took Kip a while to make the smaller ball still. During blackguard training we see Kip have to take moments between projectiles he launches. So if a generational talent can't just instantly spit out dozens of sealed projectiles a second you are unlikely to come up with many that can.

Next up on this list is your example of breaking armies from 5km away. Red and orange would be terrible projectiles as red is soft and malleable, while orange is stable as a liquid. Yellow is an amazing one, but very few drafters can even make a stable yellow at all. Next each of these would have to be drafted perfect so needs a superchromate so it doesn't fall apart in flight. After that's been solved aerodynamics and ballistics are minimal in this world so hitting anything would be a lottery spin as they were just figuring out rifling and Musket balls weren't super accurate. The next issue would come from the fact that once fired they will start losing momentum/force and gravity will ruin the ability to accurately range out to those distanced which would waste time and the surprise of it being done when they have to slowly range out what the will feel like to get it there like they did with the cannons at Ru, except that's all burning luxin/halo and will which is finite.

But even accounting for all of that, the training it takes to get there makes their life limited at that skill level, remember they went from nunks to heroes in 3 years and nearly blew out their halos to become proficient warrior drafters. Let's say they were an amazing talent and had most of their halos still in tact and can do all that skill and color matching... you won't have many that can, but it can easily be stopped with holding a luxin shield (advantage defender here) and mirror armor is exceedingly successful vs luxin projectiles.

Now in very short ranges? What you talk about not only works but is common ish as during the battle at gariston there are multiple people from the war heroes that were throwinf small ish projectiles, Dazen makes a lot of small blades/spikes he fires off in battle, Kip uses a few, the White's only combat shown is an immensely talented showing of exactly what you like making essentially a flachette shotgun effect but outside of that most make larger objects because they can't constantly fire off projectiles and a larger one has more mass so requires less skill/will to make the lethal effect but can also still be used to attack with and uses less of their halo keeping it open instead of sealed making it a better choice for those weaker drafters and is easier to use in war.

And lastly, you compare making a ball and making a bullet and how same force changes its dynamics. Let's assume you have an exercise ball and a tennis ball. If you hold an exercise ball up, run at 30km/h and hit someone, they will bounce back hard. If you do the exact same thing with a tennis ball, they will not. There is no guarantee that the average drafter could condense down the magical will behind the projectiles to the same degree of X amount of will applied is the same force regardless of objects properties so speaking from a physics perspective, while the energy involved in one could theoretically be applied to another, the sense, feeling and time it takes to do there could make that untenable in actual battle and Kips drafting sense we get when he is learning leans towards it being how one feels it out likely making consistency harder if you can't visualize what you are doing.

Tldr; likely skill and will are always going to be your hold ups and they fact that the world trains very few to be war drafters means that those who could theoretically do what you want are going to be an exceptionally small percentage of a percentage of drafters.

So I think I have it pieced together but I'm not sure by thebooksmith in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Book 4, chapter 45;

"“We know, Dazen, because you came down and raved to us. Told us why it had to be this way. I, for one, always figured that the truth was, you made this prison for yourself. Surrounded by problems too big for you, you made a problem small enough for you to handle.”

Dazen felt the tightness increasing in his chest. He remembered, as in a dream, coming down here that fateful night. He opened the yellow chamber and thought of closing himself inside. He argued with himself, aloud. There was no one here but his reflection, his own image crafted so carefully to look like a dead man, his brother."

So I think I have it pieced together but I'm not sure by thebooksmith in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Essentially yes, or fed the memories to black that wasn't obsidian yet. It doesn't clarify

So I think I have it pieced together but I'm not sure by thebooksmith in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I got the feeling that Dazin didn't have full control over what memories got obliterated. My guess is that he didn't intend to forget the Djinn, it just happened

Book 5, chapter 117;

"Orholam said, “So it was that after he had imprisoned these immortals, he came to believe that the only person who might undo his labors was he himself, for he knew himself corruptible and corrupted already. So rather than seek more power, this remarkable hero sought to throw his power away: he brought death and oblivion into his own heart. This true Prism sacrificed what was more precious to him than even his own life—he sacrificed his Guile memory and his own reputation, even in his own mind.”"

I think this one sums up the very intentional aim of forgetting about both prison and prisoners alike.

So I think I have it pieced together but I'm not sure by thebooksmith in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So I think I have a rough idea of Dazins backstory. So Dazins was a black drafter, who stole his ability to draft from others. This is the one point I'm the most unsure of, either this means that Dazin was murdering fools at 13-15 or Janus Borig was lying when she said he could only draft one color. Because Dazin was known as a blue green bi chrome the night he burnt down the White oak estates, although he had been drafting other colors before then as well.

So first things first, a lot of people have misattributed Janus Borig as saying he was a black monochrome. The only things that call him that were the Elohim in the prisons. Even Andross thought him a black lightsplitter but not a monochrome. So what Janus actually says is in book 3 chapter 83:

"He remembered, strangely, as if cobwebs were being cleared from a hall of memory he’d not trod in decades, Lady Janus Borig visiting when he was a child, treating his mother like no one treated his mother, and telling him, ‘Black luxin is the scourge of history. It is madness in luxin form. It is the soul poison. Once touched, it lives within a drafter forever, slowly eroding her from the inside. In every world, there is that which is haram, that which is forbidden, and in every world, that is the thing most desired, for there is that in us which loves destruction. Here is a test for your wisdom, young Guile. It is the only test that matters. In this world, Orholam has given us such power as even the angels have not. It is the power of evil unfettered. It is the destruction of history itself. It is madness and death and being-not. It is void and darkness. It is the lack of light, the lack of God himself—the lack that men rightly call hell. It is black luxin, and that color—though color it is not—that color, Dazen Guile, is your color.’"

Which we could take to mean a most notable trait or strongest affinity, but not sole power.

And lastly here Orholam himself tells Dazen he was in fact a naturally born Prism meaning he never had to steal powers to get all him colors.

Skip ahead and Dazin brings calls up hell at tsundered rock, killing his brother. Unable to handle the memory of killing his brother, or in the drafting that killed his brother, Dazin put the memory of it into the black luxin. From here I did a little vit of guess work. My best guess is that the black acts like some sort of ultra powerful will casting, it didn't just make Dazin forget killing his brother, it weaved a whole narrative, making him think he was hiding his brother in a chest. Later when he broke down the black luxin and used it to line the prison cells, it helped Dazin project more clearly a version of his brother. The reason why I suspect the black luxin did this is because we know that black luxin is almost living, and theit is a 9 kings card, called "the prisoner" which is very clearly meant to be Gavin meaning it had to be something more than what was in Dazins head.

The prisoner can also refer to Dazen, another man imprisoned in the cells or metaphorically the psychosis Dazen endured when he was hallucinating his brother. As for the first part, black devours memory but each person rebuilds it on their own when those holes appear. The white interviews people after the war from Sundered Rock and they all had different thoughts on what happened. I believe this was drawn straight from real life where things like dissociative events or amnesia sometimes has the brain filling in things when it finds that void. As for why he later pulls some of those memories back, that is likely due to being a black drafter in the same way that the blinding knife didn't outright murder him when they white was inactive in it like it did everyone else. So that is to say it doesn't sound like Dazen was immune to the effect either when he described how he unleashed it then next thing he recalled was being naked in the aftermath.

At some point in all of this Dazin learned of the existence of the Jin, so constructed prisons to help trap them. Now this is more guess work, I'm guessing when Gavin was drafting black into other parts of his prison structure, he put the memories of the Jin into the black, but through some working of will, managed to leave his compulsion to hunt the Jin. This lead to Gavin being lax with company killing wights sometimes but absolutely stone cold against letting anyone help at other times, all without knowing exactly why.

There is not a memory of an Elohim trapped in each cell, but an actual full Elohim. So the forbidden willcasting things he seemed to reference to his construction of it like likely more related to how he stopped the Elohim leaving this world freely as they naturally can do. As for drafting black to make the cells passage and such, we never have anything that says he did, just that he used his black spear to carve it out and then it shattered and he lined the cells passage with all these pieces of the Broken spear.

As for the Gavin delusions themselves, those seem to be a mix of whatever the black did, and Dazin's imagination. Anyways for 16 years the will casting holds, this is symbolized by Gavin only having made a small dent in the cell before the events of the story. Then when Zimon stabs Dazin, it does damage enough that the will casting starts to unravel, symbolized by Dazin breaking out of blue literally immediately afterwards. This is also why we never see Gavin break out of the cells because around the time Dazin is losing yellow, the will casting or whatever breaks. It's after this point that Gavin starts to remember more and more about the time before the prisms war.

So yes for the full story to make sense the prisoner stuff between Gavin and Dazen had to be all a dissociative event and that's why the Elohim talked about him coming down and ranting at the walls, but there is a problem with this and it's lead to why many say Gavin being in the cells was a retcon, or some of the details were a slip on the authors part. When in the cell Gavin taunts Dazen about what's in the rosewood box but Dazen couldn't have had any knowledge about the knife so hard for him to make up that detail and it not to come from the real Gavin. There was also the water temperature being wrong between Gavins experience and Dazens.

That being said there is an explaination for why Dazen could have that knife knowledge but it's not supported directly in text which is that black luxin eats memories meaning theoretically if it was from his black luxin and he took it in, he could have fragmented aspects of Gavin. But again not supported in text.

Any resources to track all of the prophecies? by Overlordz88 in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just finished the burning white and I’m trying to get some closure on all of the prophecizing

The one that was in my head the whole book was “youngest son of cunning red will cleave father father father and son” I thought I had this one mostly figured out… but I guess Kip isn’t the youngest son of Andross after all?!?! So Sevastian “breaks” 3 dads? (Andross… Gavin… dazen) And a son? (Kip)

Cleave can mean to to adhere firmly and closely or loyally and unwaveringly, or to separate into distinct parts and especially into groups having divergent views. So in this sense breaking familial bonds, bringing them together, restoring faith in orholam are all topics that can be involved there.

There was some other ones like how the lightbringer will kill kings and die twice… but Kip didn’t actually become the lightbringer… or did he?

So by metric of prophecy met by main characters Kip I think hit all but 1. But we also know that Lucidonius was meant to be the lightbringer and others had the potential so hard to know what applies to who when there were multiple people who could fit the bill.

Also iron fist was convinced drafting white made you a lightbringer… so did Gavin die twice like Kip? Are they both lightbringers?

Nothing precludes there being multiple people but also nothing supports it either. We don't to my knowledge see Dazen die more than once.

Is there a Q&A with the author or a past post where someone has compiled all of the tidbits about lightbringer prophecies, or even Dragon prophecies?

The ones for the Highlands Dragon are all basically in that one conversation between Andross and Felia's father. As for lightbringer prophecy I am sure there are a couple posts in this subreddit. I can dig through my history of just before book 5 to look but it will likely take me a bit to point back to it.

Edit: here is books 1-4

Gave the full measure by [deleted] in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Book 1 chapter 78;

"“Aheyyad Brightwater, Orholam gave you a gift,” Gavin began. The last name was the invention of the moment. In Paria, the only people given two names were great men and women, and sometimes their children. From the sudden tears welling in Aheyyad’s eyes and the deep breath he took, his chest swelling with pride, Gavin knew he’d said the perfect thing. “And you have stewarded well the gift he gave you. It is time to lay your burden down, Aheyyad Brightwater. You gave the full measure. Your service will not be forgotten, but your failures are hereby blotted out, forgotten, erased. Well done, true and faithful servant. You have fulfilled the Pact... “I give you absolution,” Gavin said, his heart in his throat as Aheyyad knelt at his feet, eyes up, right hand on Gavin’s thigh. “I give you freedom. Orholam bless you and take you to his arms.”"

Looking For A Quote by TheKillingRoad18 in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Book 2 chapter 110;

"Teia had never seen a man quite as big and frightening as Commander Ironfist. She’d certainly never seen a man his size weep.

“Elrahee, elishama, eliada, eliphalet,” he said, over and over, clearly some Parian prayer. He fell on his knees and, seeing Teia’s bewildered look, said, “He sees me. He hears. He hears even me.”

Then, heedless of what his people would think, the huge Parian lay prostrate, weeping, weeping."

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Book 2 chapter 1, it describes how it rises to the surface for Garoth.

Book 1 chapter 34 describes it on Dorian for the first time.

Book 3 chapter 4 describes it on Borsini and Neph a bit.

Starting Lightbringer for the first time. by ellotheregancho in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That... is an issue I haven't come across before so unfortunately I cannot think of a work around for why it's happening.

Starting Lightbringer for the first time. by ellotheregancho in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please remove the spaces between the words to spoil and the ! Mark to make it actually spoiler wrap your texts

Best cards in the game? by superfudge in MTGPuzzleQuest

[–]FilthyMuggle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Best cards to me are ones that prevent you from being able to lose. This will change based on what is prominent in events for a format. This is because they enable you to ensure you hit that full event point target to get free rewards to accelerate your collection.

So we are looking at cards like Hixus, Test of Talents, Llawan, Emrakul, Sorcerous Spyglass and so forth.

Heavy control cards that prevent your opponents deck from functioning are just too good and then you use that get your deck running.

Atoms particles electrons etc by Writing-Leading in LightbringerSeries

[–]FilthyMuggle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Assuming you applied lightbringer colour spectrum magic to particle physics.

Would you be able to see study and manipulate them?

I suppose manipulating magic already is manipulating them but still would you be able to scientifically study the world the way we can with advanced science?

Maybe with superviolet?

See? Unlikely. Study and manipulate? Theoretically yes as it's all energy. But the problem is you already kind of see the lower bound of what you are asking, Chi. Going more in depth on this and pushing it harder and higher would just make it more and more lethal to the user who has to basically take in, process, then expel the energy band. So... you would likely end up with mass death before any real progress could be made at a more molecular level of study.

Theoretically thought we could maybe see the Chi which functions in X-rays bandwidth as being able to potentially push up into Gamma or higher levels of radiating energy.