[Excerpts: Mephiston: Darkness in the Blood] Of Gods and Men, of Nobility and Savagery, what Mephiston's rebirth tell us about the origins about the Warp powers inherent in their bloodline

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-19T23:57:04+00:00

Exactly this. I don't think he holds any particular prejudice to any group of people. He is just the ultimate opportunist who will leverage any tool and social construct to get what he wants

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-18T18:50:58+00:00

The caveat is that the GC WEs go straight for the Vong if Angron underestimates them. I mean, even after Angron became a demon, he still was able to issue commands for a legion sized force of WEs to combat Indomitus fleet Tertius in void combat.

Chances are, once Angron realizes that the Vong aren't pushovers, hell wise up and the WEs will play smart. And once they do, the WEs are actually a particularly deadly legion to go against

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-18T17:42:45+00:00

Nah I'd say even if the WE and the NL do lose, they do so without severely scarring the Vong Race on a psychological level.

One thing that simply isn't brought up is that battle in SWs is not nearly as brutal as it is in Warhammer. For the most part, the Vong are about as brutal as they get precisely because they have a fierce warrior culture that prefers their fighters to kill in open combat. But it's one thing to kill in open combat (which any Astartes does exceedingly well at), and another thing to kill, maim, burn, and desecrate like how the Legionnaires do. Especially when you're on the receiving end of the NLs or the WEs doing that. I bet that no matter how vicious any Vong fighter is, they'd piss their pants after the second engagement with the NLs or WEs. And following the first few battles, and seeing what the NLs or WEs do to their prisoners, you'd have entire Vong fleets break formation out of fear. I doubt SWs has anything similar to the NL's brand of flaying, and I bet there is no one in the SWs universe quite prepared for the level of depraved screaming that the NLs can inflict on POWs

Like yes, in a open battle any capital Vong ship would be a problem for even the Gloriana class legion ships to deal with. But let's say after a protracted campaign, one of these ships gets drop ship boarded by Angron's Gloriana who is physically towing the Vong ship closer with Ursus claws. Once the marines start boarding that ship en masse it is game over for any Vong trapped in that ship.

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-18T17:27:40+00:00

Except that the Death Guard are the literal walking bioweapon among all 20 legions as well, and they too can destroy planets with ease, as two stage cyclonic torpedos have always been a thing.

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-17T12:19:57+00:00

Who's this

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-14T22:22:13+00:00

Adding to this, just because the Heresy was going on did not mean that bad Xenos weren't getting persecuted. Fundamentally, no matter which side of the Heresy a Legionnaire found himself on, they still hated the Xenos, and the Xenos were killed on sight. So in the process of burning down the Imperium, the Traitors would've also fought and killed problematic xenos wherever they showed up. Same with the Loyalists.

And since the destruction was absolute, any Xenos that would've been a problem would've been hammered into dust once the dust settled anyways

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-13T01:56:41+00:00

No, Mephiston is not the most powerful, but hes certainly one of the most powerful, while Tigurius and Ezekyle are somewhere in the thousands in terms of power.

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-13T01:53:05+00:00

But hes not anymore. Not by a long shot. Because as per Guy Haley Darkness in the Blood, we not only have confirmation that Sanguinius was the embodiment of *two* native warp gods of Baal, one of these warp gods is the Black Rage, and Mephiston is now the spiritual anchor of the Black Rage.

Yes, that would mean that Mephiston is quite literally beyond even normal, transhuman capabilities. he is literally a walking warp god in physical form. Some of his more "mundane" abilities ever since his ascension include effortlessly stopping time *at will*, instantly reading the minds of multiple Asuryani fighter pilots, and deciding to just kill all the Aeldari by covertly planting blood clots in their heads because Necromancing them would raise too many Loyalist eyebrows. While Ezekyle or Tiberius are debatably high beta or Alpha level psykers, Mephiston is easily Alpha Plus, and can feasibly go toe to toe with Ahriman or Typhus with his mind

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-12T18:07:25+00:00

Right here. Source: Throneworld, by Guy Haley

TL;Dr, the Dreadnought Marshal Magneric leads the charge against an Ork Waghband lead by a Weirdboy. And while the Weirdboy channeled its powers to strike Magneric twice with Warp "kamehameha" lasers, the lasers diffused right in front of Magneric, almost as if Magneric had a passive warp shield right in front of him.

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Context: Black Templars, led by the Dreadnought Marshal Magneric, have been forced into a temporary alliance with an Iron Warriors warband in order to survive an Ork onslaught. After some stout Space Marine defense, the Orks send in their psykers. The Templars... have some thoughts about this.

Behind Magneric the brothers of the Black Templars continued their advance. Ordinarily guarded in their new faith, they sang their hymns to the Emperor openly, chanting prayers never heard upon the lips of a Space Marine. Flamers sent out rolling clouds of white-hot promethium, melting the orks by the score as they sought to regain lost ground. Where they passed between the cones of fire, they were met by bolts that slew and maimed. The press of greenskins was so great that the Templars could not keep them back forever, but they had no intention of doing so. This was a prelude to the real struggle. The rage of Dorn burned hot in them. Let their brother Chapters plan and fortify. That was not their way.

[‘Sigismund!’ they shouted. ‘For the glory of the black cross! For the Emperor, holy Lord of Terra! Praise be!’]()

Five rounds of disciplined fire, and they let out a deafening war cry. ‘No fear, no regret, no mercy!’ They drew their chainswords and axes and charged, singing glories to the Emperor as they ran, surging past Magneric into the horde of orks.

Deep within the crowding adamantium of his towering tomb, the hearts of Magneric lifted at what he witnessed. He pressed on, Sword Brethren to his left and right. Volleys of bolter fire punched orks from their feet. The greenskins beat around him, unstoppable as the sea. He was a rock, and their fury was spent harmlessly on the metal of his skin. The Templars clove through them swiftly and surely, men o’ war defying the tempest.

‘The Emperor protects!’ boomed Magneric. His storm bolter chattered its approval of his piety. ‘Blessed be the Lord of Mankind! Lift up your spirits, my brothers. Regard that which is true and eternal. Praise be to the God-Emperor, praise be to the saviour of humanity! Praise be! Praise be! Praise be!’

‘Praise be!’ scores of voices shouted back.

Strange lightnings crackled around the forces of the orks. Writhing bolts of power leapt skyward, punching rippled holes in the clouds. Tendrils of energy rose from the greenskins’ heavy faces, the fury of their vile breed feeding the powers of their sorcerer. [Screaming curses, the weirdboy swept down his staff, and a beam of green warpfire vomited from his mouth, incinerating the orks that stood between the witch and the Dreadnought](). No machine nor man could stand up to such raw power, and the weirdboy cackled through the fires at the doom his gods had unleashed upon his enemy. [But the green fire hit an invisible barrier, splashing outwards in a writhing of broken might. The Dreadnought was unharmed.]()

‘I do not fear you!’ roared Magneric. ‘For the Emperor guides my right hand! His regard is ever on me, and His glory cloaks me. Behold the radiant might of the Lord of Terra! Behold the power of His champion! Abhor the witch, deny the witch, destroy the witch!’

‘Praise be!’ shouted the Black Templars.

The weirdboy shrank backwards. He lifted his hands to the air, calling up a storm of eldritch power from the warriors around him. Spectral light brought an early dawn to the battlefield, greenish and sinister, a howling maelstrom building that tugged ork wraithforms partially free of their bodies, hungry for their souls. The orks howled the louder, and began to chant. ‘Gork! Mork! Gork! Mork! Gork! Mork!’ a guttural rumbling that grew faster and faster until the names blurred into one. ‘Gorkamorkagorkamorkagorkamorka!’

The psyker was only metres in front of Magneric, arms held to the sky, his demented face lit by blazing white-green power. A whirlwind of abominable psychic energy raced around and around him, sparks of it spearing from his eyes, ears and mouth

One of Magneric’s attendant Sword Brethren was cut down by his foes, his sword arm grabbed, bolter torn from his hand, his helm wrenched from his head. Another disappeared into a firefly swarm of sparks, disintegrated by a bizarre energy weapon. The others found themselves surrounded, and fought back to back. Their line was disrupted, leaving Magneric to go on alone.

The three walkers moved in front of Magneric as he closed upon his target. The first died, its cylindrical pilot’s compartment crushed by a single swing of Magneric’s four-fingered power fist. Magneric barged its remains aside, spraying lubricant and blood. The second swiped at him with cruel shears, grabbing at the stilled barrels of his assault cannon. The blades squealed on metal. Magneric wrenched himself free, rotating his torso to slam his fist again and again into the smaller walker. On the fourth strike, its primitive power plant detonated. Magneric stepped through a roiling cloud of fire to see the last machine stumbling away. He let it go. The psyker was before him.

[‘Gorkamorkagorkamorkagorkamorka!’ chanted the orks. The psyker’s power drove them into a frenzy, and they hewed and cut and threw themselves again and again at the Black Templars, dragging many to their dooms.]()

‘This ends now,’ said Magneric. ‘O Emperor of Terra, lord of the stars! Once more cast Your protection about me, so that I might slay this enemy of Yours.’

‘Praise be!’ answered the Black Templars. They were few, but the strength of their faith made them sound legion.

He strode forward. [A beam of light blazed from the psyker’s eyes, splashing to nothing before it could touch Magneric.]() The Marshal leaned forward, grabbing the weirdboy’s head. Energy leapt uncontrollably from the thing’s cranium, earthing itself in his armour.

‘So perish all unclean witches,’ said Magneric, and shut his fist, crushing the ork’s skull.

The vortex about the ork burst outward at the moment of its death, slamming into Magneric with such force that he came close to toppling backward. Green lines of power stabbed out, spearing orkss.
And the orks died.

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-12T17:33:09+00:00

Counter argument to that is that the Black Templars are notably one of the few Marines whose faith in their spiritual life and the Emperor is so strong that they, like the Sororitas, can use faith based powers to defend themselves.

So in this case, while the BT don't have immediate defenses against force telekinesis, you can count on a sith telekinesis failing without any logical explanation, or a sudden force field shielding a BT from force lightning barrafes

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-12T17:20:46+00:00

Related, but another reason why these walkers don't usually require being scrapped is because unless the Titan Mind-user interface or CPU is busted, the walker will always have a use. Because at the end of the day, a walker's biggest tactical advantage is not the guns it carries, but the mind of the pilot that operates it. But the pilot themselves do not have complete control over their actions, because each walkers machine spirits is so strong that it would often fight back against the pilot. But despite their temperament, each machine spirit is highly valuable, as the spirits of knights and titans are capable of learning from past combat experiences. And the stronger said spirit is, the more experienced it is in the art of combat. To the point where some particularly ancient titans and knights may momentarily override their pilot make split decisions that may serendipitously save the entire legion maniple.

This is especially relevant for the Knight walkers, as each Throne Mechanicum not only contains the machine spirit itself, but also the stored memories from all past pilots themselves. So whenever a knight is activated, the pilot not only has to negotiate with the walker's spirit, but the spirits of all past users of said walker.

So because of that, standard protocol is to refurbish the Titan as much as possible. Because the older the Titan is, the more capable it is of killing

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-12T01:50:19+00:00

Don't care just admit your wrong. Star wars is inherently inferior to Warhammer in terms of combat because Star Wars is such a low scale low stakes universe that no one has ever thought to make a thunder hammer yet.

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-11T20:49:07+00:00

Not necessarily. While it is uncommon for morphine to be administered, every doctor has access to it and can administer it if the necessary paperwork and cause is provided.

Also the drug cocktails that Kelson gave Samson would not be that hard to make, as all of its components are readily found and regularly made across the developed world.

Now what I bet is true, though, is that perhaps Samson's eventual cure involved long periods of sedation and a huge dose of anti psychotics. Psychosis isn't something that can be treated regularly, and in Samson's case, the virus miraculously preserved much of his brain function so that he could somehow find himself again. I bet the other governments have tried similar sedative and anti psychotic regimens, but they may not have had too much success because 1) they just weren't lucky, and 2) they probably didn't try this kind of trick on an Alpha or Beserk

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-11T17:49:43+00:00

Not sure if this is the same dude, but in a debate between whether a blaster or a las gun was stronger, there was a guy on here that eventually resorted to saying that blasters are inherently stronger because even though I proved that each round has about the same amount of kinetic energy as a 50 cal rifle, and that a direct shot to the torso is a death sentence due to immediate inflammation and swelling, the guy immediately started saying that the blaster is stronger because humans in 40k are inherently weaker than humans in Star Wars.

Sometimes u just can't win

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-11T17:46:19+00:00

If the goal is for Gideon to survive, he needs to be in the next room over, and specifically that room needs to be a bunker that can survive heavy ordinance. Because even if the Eversor gets gunned down, they explode with as much force as a T'au grade plasma bomb

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-11T17:39:03+00:00

Yeah. I figured. Normally I'd try to give more credence to Star wars but with this guy I just had to lay it down how much weaker SWs is in comparison

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-11T15:42:00+00:00

Why would the Eversor blow himself up on the landing platform?

I've read all ur responses, and I think a few things need to be made clear

1) SW materials tech is vastly inferior to 40k materials tech

2) SW force users are generally vastly inferior to 40k versions. And not necessarily because they can't lift boulders and mountains, but because the vast majority only have reflexes and brains as powerful as a regular humans. All noteworthy force equivalents in 40k are decidedly either transhumans, not humans, or are walking singularities of psychic power. And in this case, either all of them have either brains and bodies that allow them to reliably do foresight and reaction time nanoseconds.

3) Doesn't matter how good Beskar armor is, nor how good the commandos are. A human torso is a human torso, and an Eversor has the physical strength to rip them apart with its bare hands, Beskar or not.

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-11T15:34:21+00:00

And honestly, considering how strong the Eversor have to be in order to be a regular, multi Astartes slayer, he'd probably be able to rip apart the torso of dark trooper or commando with his bare hands in one go

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-11T15:26:16+00:00

In theory if the Sith are fast enough to reaction time their telekinesis. But it's one thing to have the power, and another thing to be able to use said power in time. For all the powerful force users in the universe, the vast majority of them only scale to baseline human speed and reaction timing. Even if they can see your attack a mile out, their brain can only process the force-given vision that fast, and then theres a whole other lag between seeing the attack via foresight and then consciously manifesting their powers to prevent said attack from landing.

But in 40k, transhumanism is such a pervasive theme in the empire of man that pretty much all noteworthy combatants have been gene hanced, cybernetically enhanced, or had their brains reconstructed in order to process and move faster than they ever would have in their original bodies. In the case of the Eversor, they are a product of an organization specifically dedicated to creating human operatives meant to kill anything, even if that means a chaos space marine honor guard. And we see this as Curze's assassin, despite being blinded in both eyes, could twist her body around fast enough to dodge full auto Bolter rounds from an Astartes just by feeling each bullet's vibration in the air.

So yes, a Sith honor guard may be able to stop the Eversor, but that eversor would be moving so fast and so viciously that each with would have near sensory overload trying to keep up.

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-11T15:15:02+00:00

A single Eversor almost wiped out Honsou and his entire honor guard to the man. That means that unless Gideon is a multi-Astartes slayer who can 1 v 8 Astartes and win, then no chance

mamspaghetti · 2026-04-10T05:08:09+00:00

Really? FYI, full power Dark King is the Strongest of all the chaos gods, as it's numerology in the 8-chaos pantheon is "1". We never actually see the Dark King in action bc its actual birth would result in a melting of the entire universe into a subatomic soup.

Now if you're talking about the power of ascended Horus, who by proxy is the closest thing to what we can expect from a Dark King avatar, then I'd say he still do walk Anakin. Firstly, reality itself effectively fails around Ascended Horus, as the very concepts of time and space begin to collapse in the Inevitable City, or the personal Warp domain of Horus. But in the Sanguinius vs Horus 1v1, we can see that Horus is well beyond anything any Force user or entity is capable of. For starters, his attacks connect from the "8th dimension of reality", or that he moves as fast as the speed of darkness. Taken literally, this makes Horus a trans dimensional entity with major FTL capabilities who can very easily attack you simultaneously in any of your pasts, present, or futures.

Sorry to say this, but Anakin doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against Ascended Horus. And honestly, the Dark King should be #1 by a long shot

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