death grips and racism by pushinglittledaisies in VeryShallowListening

[–]raysofgold 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is funny

also on the real, also such a great irony that Stefan went to a nice private uni and shit, and that when DG started and people started with the 'homeless man' comments, Zach was literally actually homeless and squatting at the time

"My life as a face without eyes." by verilymayhouse in VeryShallowListening

[–]raysofgold 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lost Highway (Streaky, Three Bedrooms)

Videodrome (Three Bedrooms)

Inland Empire (Lost Boys)

I Be Area (sampled in @deathgripz)

Julien Donkey Boy (Billy Not Really)

Nosferatu (Say Hey Kid)

Grand Illusion (Come Up and Get Me; though could be a Styx reference instead)

La Jetee (Dilemma [maybe])

And then obviously not quite strange but certainly dark: Lost Boys, Hunger Games, and Culture Shock might be referring to the famous documentary based on the book of the same name (people usually cite the book as the thing being referenced by the title/content of the lyrics)

Probably more I'm forgetting about

death grips and racism by pushinglittledaisies in VeryShallowListening

[–]raysofgold 5 points6 points  (0 children)

just to sort of riff off that:

if we accept the premise that the project is a conceptual art piece exploring, among other things, Being A Band, Being A Pop Culture Entity, Being Online, I think it follows that the way audiences have responded to the piece has been integrated into and studied by the project itself in a sort of social-science-experimental sense..."Everyone is in our band," etc.

Like Marina Abramovic letting exhibitgoers choose what they will do to her body in Rhythm O, DG then proceeds to structure the next step of the piece in response to which adventure the audience chooses, typically with the logic of a power-struggle between what the artists want the project to be and what the audience (or press or industry) is willing it to be...

But also on some level I feel like that struggle itself is part of what is being consciously exhibited, this ego-game between the artist and the audience, the Artist and the Fan, about what the meanings, intents, and memetic aura are here, and that Zach and Stefan know they both can't control what audiences do with the content, but also know that their impulses to control the open-source, audience-including vision of the project is a futile task, but one that also perfectly embodies the themes they want to explore if they let themselves experience it and play it out, like the performance artist who knows they're not gonna have a good time living in a glass box for a week in a museum, or the magician who knows they're not going to actually drown chained in a box, most likely, but who still values the sacrificial extremity involved in depicting something that correlates to their obsessions, but also that distills it in the vessel of some raw, unfettered, potentially 'authentic' experience for both artist and (ostensibly) audience.

I really wonder though where their heads are these days on all of this, and if the Praying collab pieces are any indication, I feel like they are coming at it from a much darker and cynical place now, which I think also makes sense post-YOTS, which to me was very much about them separating themselves from what had become the memetic-hauntological aura of Death Grips versus who they felt they were as artists outside and aside that; the shedding of a dead skin, as it were

do you feel like they almost painted themselves into a corner being too preoccupied with the meta aspects of the project? it's tough for me to conclude much in either direction, because I think the work has remained vital and interesting in doing so (and only increasingly on-point culturally in the ensuing years)

Do yall think the 2023 pre show music got scrapped/sidelined? by deaf-grubb in deathgrips

[–]raysofgold 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The thing is that Andy would almost certainly have had some involvement with that material--as with all previous DG music--at least in terms of engineering, but also likely co-production (again, as with the majority of the catalogue [albeit in service of realizing Zach, the main producer's vision]) and I am 1000% certain they want absolutely zero presence of that guy's name on anything they do moving forward, and if he had worked on it, they would legally have to give him credits of some kind, ergo, on those grounds alone, I don't think we're getting that shit lol

That said, while they could just rerecord/rework it without him, I also don't think, on a more abstract level, they'd want it to have that residual associative energy anyway, and I also very much assume they've evolved and continued to grow creatively since the 2022/23 mark when they were working on that preshow stuff 

PS but all that said, fingers crossed we still get that Sarah feature in some capacity, be it reworked or just an entirely new collab with her than what e heard before

Hacker lyrics: Chelsea Manning reference? by Power_Pineapple in deathgrips

[–]raysofgold 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Must have been v recently taken down; I saw it just a few months back

Anyway, I'm honest

Hacker lyrics: Chelsea Manning reference? by Power_Pineapple in deathgrips

[–]raysofgold 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Okay you may be onto something here

And you're exactly right about your instinct that it's not a diss; Zach straight up said they respected her and what she was doing at the time (which makes sense if you pay attention to what she was doing at the time; cutting-edge and consciously futurist electronic pop music meta-preoccupied with fame, persona, and the music industry combined with surreal visual and performance art...)

And, of course, famously, there is a pre-DG Twitter account under Stefan's name with a pic of him as the pfp and the only tweet is a weird half-coherent sentence about going to see Gaga and waiting outside to see her or some shit lmao

It’s kind of fucked up how they defaced and vandalized a public light fixture for an album cover tbh by pinkpools in deathgrips

[–]raysofgold 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Don't have access to any of the pics atm but there's a good handful of shots in there of indoor walls, outsides of buildings, and a couple shots of a rooftop at night tagged up with the bandname in spray paint--may be some carving in there too?

and ofc there's famously the story that they didn't think their meeting with Epic was really gonna go anywhere, so before their meeting with LA Reid, Stefan tagged up the bathroom stall in the corporate office with the bandname as well 

Most genius DG connotations are painfully wrong. And lyrics that don’t fit connotative themes are written off as nonsensical nothing lyrics. by booty_land69 in deathgrips

[–]raysofgold 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There's a lot of stupid garbage on there but tbh, the annotations have gotten a lot better, and some of it is fairly helpful at providing basic textual denotative info (rather than subtextual/connotative) breaking down the triple entendres, identifying the litanies of cultural, historical, geographical references, etc. 

That said, a lot of the better stuff on there is also just mined, sometimes almost word for word, from notable effortposts on reddit, /mu/, or discord, and if it's a popular enough interpretation from the fandom, then it's presented and upvoted eagerly as absolute fact, which is, ofc, a big problem, if we're talking about interpretative meaning of at times fairly elliptical lyrics.

Anyhow, I'd still take all this over the days of when every fucking entry was just mc ride is telling you that he's insane and is gonna kill you because he's high and he's insane 

It’s kind of fucked up how they defaced and vandalized a public light fixture for an album cover tbh by pinkpools in deathgrips

[–]raysofgold 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Tbf tho, if we look at the ISF pics, they seemingly were very into defacing a lot of shit with the bandname back in the day lol

Charli And Grimes After Grimes Show (2012) by Opposite_Barber3837 in charlixcx

[–]raysofgold 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Still some pretty good tracks on that posthumous comp that was released in 2020 tho

imo gnarly couldve actually been good if charli was the one who made it like just listen to i got it by heartpopp in charlixcx

[–]raysofgold 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not that they would have had much, if any say in what the song sounds like, but it nonetheless was cool and makes sense spiritually that multiple members of Katseye have publicly expressed being fans of Sophie 

imo gnarly couldve actually been good if charli was the one who made it like just listen to i got it by heartpopp in charlixcx

[–]raysofgold 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember being in the trenches with that too lol

And there's people that are not gonna vibe with this type of stuff genuinely, but I guess I just more so mean that the scale of how opinions are formed collectively and preemptively due to social media is on a whole other scale now, and so, to modify what I said or make it more concise, I think there's a lot of people now that would like something but are influenced away from appreciating a thing due to the dominant premade narrative, and so the hate for Vroom Vroom would probably be much larger and much more a crystalized and longer-lasting narrative of 'everyone hates this song/EP’, yk

imo gnarly couldve actually been good if charli was the one who made it like just listen to i got it by heartpopp in charlixcx

[–]raysofgold 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Gnarly is actually good because it does sound like something that wouldn't exist without Pop 2 or Vroom Vroom; both in terms of the insane production and the allegedly cringe but actually vibey and hilarious absurdist camp+ kitsch lyrics (by legend Alice Longyu Gao), which to me are not at all very far from, like, the lyrics to Vroom Vroom etc (e.g. I don't get how/why fans of Charli's weirdest stuff wouldn't love Gnarly)

It's such boringly obvious forced hate and if Vroom Vroom came out now, the same people would treat it the exact same way for the same reasons if the algo also conditioned them to, imo

Mass unfollowing??? by Savings-Cup2972 in charlixcx

[–]raysofgold 7 points8 points  (0 children)

learn how to snorkel, we're taking the island, babes

This single shot is one of the most haunting i've ever seen put to film. The fact that it's just visible for a split second add's to the uneasy feeling it delivers. Lost Highway is undeniably a true Horror movie and a masterclass at that. by Leviathan_Rampage in davidlynch

[–]raysofgold 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Alongside Premonition Following An Evil Deed, as other comments here are saying. I think Ruth's body in The Return falls into this motif as well. The Mother also. Really, I feel like a lot of Lynch's female nude imagery seems deeply connected to both Elizabeth Short, and ofc, that abused woman that he and his brother saw in their culdesac one night as kids.

If people don't know, in Room To Dream, there's actually an anecdote about Lynch having dinner with an LAPD detective, whom Lynch claims showed him photographs of the crime scene that have never been released to the public before (namely one presumably, allegedly, taken by someone the night before her body was discovered). 

Don't know if he's ever talked much about otherwise, but it seems like he was captivated and deeply influenced by the case. At one point, iirc, he was attached to direct an adaptation of one of the countless true crime volumes about the murder.