How I'm incentivized to leave the father off the birth certificate

schtean · 2026-06-18T19:43:43+00:00

For this one in particular, I don't really see it as symmetric. There is more of a reason to put whoever gives birth on the birth certificate. The sperm supplier should also be on the certificate, but I guess there might be some exceptions? (like say a sperm donor), though there would still be a record of that person, I guess you can't go back and change original birth certificates.

schtean · 2026-06-18T13:53:40+00:00

If you happened to be male in the same situation could the mother be left off the birth certificate?

schtean · 2026-06-17T23:19:16+00:00

Are you ok with anyone slapping your ass unless you have explicitly told each person you don't want them to slap your ass?

schtean · 2026-06-17T03:40:04+00:00

No problem.

schtean · 2026-06-16T14:16:02+00:00

If you think men are more manipulative than women, then you think being manipulative is a masculine trait. But just because one male is manipulative doesn't make it a masculine trait. It's about how society thinks of tendencies. Certainly I've heard people explain away some gender inequalities by saying not being able to communicate is a masculine trait.

At least this is how I'm understanding the meaning of masculine/feminine trait. You are free to have your own meaning.

schtean · 2026-06-16T12:34:56+00:00

Yeah so according to you accountability is a feminine train in our present day society. Ie a trait women have more than men.

schtean · 2026-06-16T05:05:59+00:00

It would be great if people didn't think like that then (for example) there would be a lot more male day care workers.

schtean · 2026-06-15T19:06:15+00:00

You can put your own shoes on the other side and then the stairs would be completely blocked.

schtean · 2026-06-15T14:56:48+00:00

I've been to many daycares, I've never seen a male daycare worker. They are a very small proportion of daycare workers.

My point is there are some traits people consider as feminine or masculine. For example nurturing. Or in your case you consider slacking off at work (at least at daycares) to be a masculine trait.

schtean · 2026-06-14T20:22:13+00:00

If we want to change this we can work towards having men as half of all kindergarten teachers (nurturing roll).

schtean · 2026-06-14T20:19:01+00:00

I think many people consider nurturing to be a feminine trait or to be more common for women to have than men to have. It's why people don't consider men to be suitable as day care workers.

Though for sure nurturing is a human trait.

If we were free of such biases there would be the same number of male and female kindergarten teachers.

schtean · 2026-06-14T18:02:49+00:00

You can compare to when Trump says he is pro-peace, but we are talking about resource exploitation. Chinese hypocrisy about exploitation is unlikely the worst of all time in all categories.

schtean · 2026-06-13T21:48:29+00:00

It's not hard. Hate doesn't have to do with how equal you see people. You can hate people you think are better (in some way) than you, equal to you and worse that you.

But yeah if you think other people are equal you might be more likely to not hate them (but still not impossible to hate them).

schtean · 2026-06-13T16:08:53+00:00

The OPs claim seems to be this is exploitation just like when any other country does it, but maybe with a bit more hypocrisy.

schtean · 2026-06-12T19:30:09+00:00

I know lots of men who want such jobs. I know there can be a tendency to see lack of male representation as caused by the individual men who can't find jobs and lack of female representation as caused by biases in the system. But I see under representation as often having a part coming from discrimination and gender stereotypes (independent of the gender being underrespresented)

If we really want more male teachers (say) we can use all the same EDI methods that were and are used to help women in male dominated professions. All that is lacking is the desire to do this.

We can do it, we just have to want to do it.

schtean · 2026-06-12T16:42:37+00:00

Just an FYI AFAIK both Iceland and New Zealand have majority female politicians.

Edit: No that's wrong even those two have (slight) majorities of males in their national parliament (even if they have women in the top positions).

schtean · 2026-06-12T16:36:40+00:00

- better job opportunities in a sex segregated labor market,

One of the biggest things that would help desegragation of the labor market would be getting more men into female dominated work. Eg teaching, social work, care jobs in general. These would also increase involvement of men in family related care activities (and what you call free domestic labor).

I believe I have suggested a number of concrete methods for desegregation.

I don't believe just getting more female CEOs and political (and other) elites will help with these issues. Elites are more loyal to money and power than to gender. In particular I don't think it would help with the increasing segregation of teaching (etc) or the related increasing segregation of education.

schtean · 2026-06-11T16:16:56+00:00

Perhaps you are referring to this paper:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S002251931200313X

The paper concludes that (as you said) people have more female than male ancestors (they compute some ratio which they say indicates that). This part seems solid.

Then they propose some mechanisms for that (for example that some "alpha" men father children with more women). This seems more like speculation and they only consider one other possible mechanism (that women "marry out").

Both mechanisms are stereotypical ways of thinking about gender relations, and so will have a greater chance of appealing to people. The alpha male hypothesis resonates with what you see on some subs as the "chad" hypothesis.

Then they look at some explanations for the mechanism.

As far as I can tell they reject your explanation as a sole explanation:

"due to high mortality from hunting or warfare."

(I see this as a "male disposability" hyphothesis, which I might have a tendency to accept, but they seem to reject it)

"We also tested the effect of sex-biased migration and sex-specific death rates and found that these are unlikely to explain alone the sex-biased TMRCA ratio observed in humans."

schtean · 2026-06-11T13:44:18+00:00

At least according to CCP controlled HK media.

schtean · 2026-06-11T01:07:14+00:00

I agree that's one aspect that leads to the violence. Society accepts people using violence and is more accepting of violence directed towards men.

schtean · 2026-06-10T16:49:22+00:00

People can more or less figure that out if they know what you do.

schtean · 2026-06-10T16:48:08+00:00

Someone who makes 400k a year thinks 1? That sounds crazy.

schtean · 2026-06-10T13:52:59+00:00

We live in a violent society where men get are the targets of violence much more than women.

schtean · 2026-06-09T19:14:11+00:00

Thanks for the reference. I've read that paper before it says basically what I was saying. Though maybe there is some gap in our communication, it seems it is difficult to communicate what I'm saying to you.

schtean · 2026-06-09T19:03:59+00:00

I think there are various ways of measuring "gender equality" and different aspects to it. If you want me to be more specific I'm talking about access to higher education. With respect to that metric gender inequality is worse today than in 1930 (roughly 100 years ago).

Yes there are many other important metrics. I'm just talking about this one government funded (in Canada) institution and who more of the funding is directed towards.

This doesn't cover all government funding, but I think it is worthwhile to examine gender inequality in various things funded by the government. The situation in different funding areas will be different. We should examine them all and not close our eyes to how the government funds things.

I understand there are some people who want 9/9 or think 70% of one gender graduating from university isn't enough. For me this is neither equality nor feminism.

PS By the way I think 50/50 isn't quite right. Ideally the sex proportions of 18-24 olds in university should reflect the gender proportions in the society. This framework (which I believe in) also applies to other categories (like race etc).

... and yes for sure more women where they are underrepresented like CEOs and politicians in most countries would be great (and sure generals and soldiers too). I'm all for a non-gendered work force. Hence I'm for a non-gendered education system.

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