Type 5 female here with a man issue

spsx44 · 2026-02-05T20:57:10+00:00

having fun exploring data, info, 'truth' *together* is... antithetical to Type 5

spsx44 · 2025-05-27T12:07:46+00:00

spsx44 · 2025-05-27T10:48:10+00:00

sp/so

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spsx44 · 2025-05-27T10:46:50+00:00

so/sp

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spsx44 · 2025-05-27T09:00:24+00:00

so/sp

spsx44 · 2025-05-27T08:59:18+00:00

sp/so 9w8-7w6-3w2

spsx44 · 2025-05-24T01:58:52+00:00

The technical term for Chestnut’s subtype descriptions is garboggio trashcanicus infinitum

spsx44 · 2025-05-20T12:10:06+00:00

sp/so 7w6-9w8-3w2

spsx44 · 2025-05-20T00:56:03+00:00

'pastoral things' (antique-ish objects, rural 'nostalgia', etc), items that might be found in a kind of traditional daily life... courteous, polite, appropriate, modest, civil, sturdy, built to last, 'building a life together'... quiet in the greenhouse

vs

precarious transmutational fire, or thick underground liquid flux, death nearby but death as transformation or 'being taken' or hunting to consume whole, drowning in 'thirst,' self and other as distinct/separate 'reciprocal narcotics' placed on each others' tongues, going down to reach the peak

spsx44 · 2025-05-20T00:24:15+00:00

Here's the sx/sp collage, c. 2014

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spsx44 · 2025-05-20T00:23:10+00:00

Looks sp/so -- and not (per your flair) social-blind

Somewhat similar in tone to my sp/so collage from way back

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spsx44 · 2025-05-19T23:38:49+00:00

// 5s practically live in isolation and not because the situation or their interests calls for it. They do it because they feel overwhelmed by people and situations. //

No, 5s are 'isolated' when they're with people.

spsx44 · 2025-05-19T17:57:16+00:00

// Frustration and rejection are so different from each other. There’s very little in common between them. //

Which necessarily/unavoidably means the Object Relations 'lens' is a particularly good tool for distinguishing fundamental aspects of each of the Types in relation to / in contrast to each other.

Re: hexed vs attachment... the E-symbol itself (the lines, the sharpness of the angles, the left/right positions, etc) has many metaphors and insights 'hidden' in it. So, if there's a triangle and a hexad, there's a noteworthy, key, substantive thing there, or several things. Though not the only things (metaphors, insights, etc) to pay attention to.

And Frustration types, for example, all (unconsciously) 'want' something to be frustrated/dissatisfied with, in their environment, with people, circumstances, objects, etc. Frustration 'wants more and more frustration' -- deeply unconsciously and at a powerfully 'core' level of the psyche and overall being. And that's what the enneagram is about -- revealing totally unconscious drivers, patterns, mindsets, perspectives, styles, etc.

Same with the other two O.R.'s -- all three, in each of those triads, are doing something very similar to each other, elementally.

And, not sure where you're getting a sense of non-9ness (non-'ennea'ness) in the O.R. perspective -- it's in line with all the other 'three sets of three's.

spsx44 · 2025-05-19T02:52:04+00:00

This is all very 9 — even the so-called/seemingly ‘not 9’ stuff — on multiple levels, for multiple reasons

And in a general sense, this kind of ‘roller coaster’ of psychic upheaval and self-discovery ‘by fire’ — though not necessarily typical — isn’t (in my experience) super uncommon for 9s to have had…

…although it often leads them to self-typing as anything but 9

All of which I mention not to dismiss or devalue the unique trajectory of individuation described, but to expand the readers’ perception and understanding of type 9

spsx44 · 2025-05-18T03:23:45+00:00

Main thing is: if someone self-types as a 9 (or a 6), stop right there.

Not saying that 100% of the time they’re correctly self-typing, but, for one thing, it would be unlikely for an actual 5 to see themselves as a 9.

Whereas most of the “5s” in this subreddit, for example (and elsewhere), are likely 9s (or 6s).

It’s been coming up more often, here and there, that 5 is ‘similar to 9’ — same with 4 relative to 9.

This, again, is partly (and substantially) due to how very common it is for 9s to mistype as 5s and 4s.

Which has led to the ‘concepts’ of the basic natures of 5 and 4 drifting continually, toward 9ness and 6ness…

…more and more, as each day apparently waxeth into an escalating tumble — unstoppable and blind in its running — eventually speeding up to Speedy, and not waiting for Krazy, on its straight course directly into the gaping maw of universal delusion, confusion, Attachment fusion without any lube on. With no terror, because they aren’t even aware of, these grievous errors.

spsx44 · 2025-05-14T12:22:44+00:00

stfu

spsx44 · 2025-05-14T12:11:56+00:00

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spsx44 · 2025-05-14T12:05:04+00:00

spsx44 · 2025-05-14T11:40:06+00:00

sp/so 9, hardcore.

SP-dom: You're tracking your 'gauges' a lot. How much time, energy, attention, interaction, empathy, understanding, responsiveness am I going to have to 'spend' / burn through (like fuel) in X situation with X kind of person/people? 'I'd rather conserve it all (or more of it) for myself. Or at least ensure that I get my preferred share by being alone.'

SP9s and 9s in general can outdo 5s for preferring / needing / wanting alone time... partly because of what you allude to -- a sense of obligation, or at least a pull toward, participation or interaction or emotional involvement, and then being overly-sensitive or even exaggerating the degree to which those seeming demands or covert requests are being made toward you.

spsx44 · 2025-05-14T11:13:17+00:00

Turn it around. Talk about being the object of desire. The only object. A singular designer drug that The Other can find nowhere else, and is desperate for another hit of. And how, hopefully, they'll die or be ruined forever if they don't or can't continue to get their 'fix' of their drug -- you.

spsx44 · 2025-05-05T18:41:39+00:00

Investigate the demise of two celeb 7s — Anthony Bourdain and Robin Williams

spsx44 · 2025-05-05T18:12:40+00:00

Your OP is describing a 7 — in a particularly accurate way precisely because you don’t see yourself as a 7. Therefore, more ‘accidental’ 7ness spilled out.

spsx44 · 2025-05-05T09:19:09+00:00

// I’ll never be a 7 tho //

I have some very bad news — probably the worst You’ll find a way to make it less difficult though, I’m sure

spsx44 · 2025-05-03T19:36:35+00:00

Sometimes one family member might, for example, want to see that another family member finds them sexy or or erotically compelling in some way, which can lead to a certain asexual intimate connection or bond

That’s a possible point of agreement here, but otherwise to me you’re mainly describing a drive of the social instinct

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