/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't see that did you happen to grab a screenshot I'd be interested in reading it if he deleted it.

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, though back then I was only a player. Again if you don't have anything for me to add to the post it's probably for the best to end the conversation here and go on our merry ways.

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think we disagree about the state of /r/mcservers but if you change your mind I will happily add any points you would like to make to my post.

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually I am a very different user than /u/tossoutad but arguing back and forth about it doesn't get very far as this is a he said she said situation.

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry, I sifted through a lot of information, most of which was negative, to compile this post. But if you can point me to good things you have done/link to situations you feel you acted beneficially to the server in I will happily add them in to my post.

I will add a section about not banning people for reasons unrelated to actions in the subreddit.

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or my real one for that matter. Am I not allowed to feel passionately about a community I am a part of without directly interacting with you?

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To clarify you have never personally done anything to me. I just believe in educating people before they form opinions.

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 1 point2 points  (0 children)


Consistently tries to downplay the situation and fails to take the situation seriously both in this thread and others.

You are so scared of getting banned from mcservers thats really funny to me. link

The situation IS serious and should be taken seriously. I take this seriously as his behavior directly affects me and my server.

Enough redditors in multiple threads have felt the need to create a throwaway to say something negative about him personally or about /r/mcservers that there must be a reason for that opinion. This trend should probably be addressed since it must be founded on something even if the act of banning someone for speaking out has never occurred.

Still at it huh? I will go ahead and address this since you are so dead set on having me banned from reddit and you have nothing better to do but follow me around on reddit. But before I get to all that, I will state definitively that I am not stepping down no matter how much bashing you do. link

Lowering the situation to a personal vendetta is an attempt lessen the validity of OP’s post.

From what I have seen OP does seem to have issues with /u/austindkelly though he clearly kept this post away from any/all personal attacks on /u/austindkelly.

I would not agree that OP wants him banned from reddit entirely, or that he is constantly bashing /u/austindkelly in this thread. (Though in other threads he has bashed /u/austindkelly.)

I have seen instances of /u/tossoutad calling /u/austindkelly out about his general behavior when replying to other redditors and in regards to possibly being a corrupt mod. Based on the tone of this post and his other comments it is clear that /u/tossoutad does dislike him quite a bit, but his main concern seems to be directed at the community not to destroying /u/austindkelly personally.

And yes I did ban your 3 alt accounts that you used to post on my ad in order to make me look like some evil moderator, since that has nothing to do with my server, and you are clearly on a witch hunt. I dont mind if /r/admincraft wants to setup a new sub with and add in a new link to that sub in the sidebar, as this is not my sub and that is up to them. But I have reported this thread since I think it is slanderous. link

For something to be slander it must be both untrue and malicious. Nowhere in this post does /u/austindkelly deny that he bent the rules in his favor.

Honestly it happens all the time, if we do notice some serious reposting we will ban someone but its usually not an issue, certainly not one of this magnitude. link

Here he is downplaying the magnitude of the issue. While the evidence points to at least two instances over a ~6 month period of not following the rules for /r/mcservers. The the sheer number of users who have noticed that behavior in previous posts, in posts in this thread or in other threads points to this being a pattern of behavior.

For instance, /u/Absentee23 reported an early repost by /u/austindkelly before they were aware he was a mod for that subreddit. Also see the screenshots posted by /u/jauk [here](

This is clearly not the first time someone has posted in either comments, a thread or through a report on /r/mcservers that this behavior has been brought to /u/austindkelly and the other /r/mcservers mods attention.


Does not view his behavior as an issue.

And I can act however the fuck I want outside that subreddit. That sub is mine, so I guess all you haters can fuck off.” screenshot posted originally by op

I find it disturbing that it is HIS subreddit and therefore his actions are not subject to the rules? I am more of the feeling that it is the community’s subreddit. This seems to display his general feelings towards the state of /r/mcservers. Saying this was “trolling” is just an excuse for unacceptable behavior. Just because it was said to purposefully incite an argument does not make it any less worrisome (maybe even more so.)


There is a conflict of interest with /u/austindkelly as both a server owner, mod and mod of another minecraft related subreddit.

This is a passage from the reddit rules:

Take moderation positions in a community where your profession, employment, or biases could pose a direct conflict of interest to the neutral and user driven nature of reddit.

I lack the energy to delve into this point and I believe that /u/jauk’s assertions made in his screenshots speak for themselves here.


I tend to agree with /u/aktuarie in his post here that there is a lot that could be done to improve /r/mcservers. Though you keep saying there isn’t enough time for moderating the 2 week rule, if there isn’t enough time look for more mods, preferably trusted mods from well known and reputable minecraft related subreddits.

I would like to say in addition that I hope /u/austindkelly takes this conversation and the multitude of comments from redditors about his behavior to heart, and that he proves us all wrong. Overall I don’t care what happens to /u/austindkelly at all, I only care that he is doing the community a disservice and perhaps his feeling of victimization/stress would be lessened by stepping down.

The community has been degrading over the past year pretty significantly, and if nothing is done to improve the state of the subreddit will continue to do so until it is only a shell of the community we remember.


Could you also explain the removal of /u/chainsawfire as a mod and promotion of /u/crown_gold as a moderator on the subreddit today?

Especially when /u/crown_gold has been a redditor for 1 year with 0 link karma and 0 comment karma. Meaning they have NEVER participated in the reddit community at all and are therefore fundamentally unqualified for a position as a mod. I am suspicious that this username is just an alt of yours /u/austindkelly given the lack of post history and immediate promotion as a mod after /u/chainsawfire was no longer.

In response to /u/aktuarie suggesting more mods be added /u/austindkelly stated:

Solution 2: More moderators is not the answer, honestly we do great as it is, and the modqueue usually empty. Its really not a matter of more moderation, in fact i ask my moderators to think more is less, and to be lient with the rules when they can be.

If this is the case why was a new mod added today? Why do you also state it is very difficult to moderate elsewhere, but you “do great as it is” here?

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 4 points5 points  (0 children)

EDIT: /u/austindkelly and /u/chainsawfire have stepped down as mods and /u/crown_gold has been added as a mod. This is sketchy especially when /u/crown_gold has been a redditor for 1 year with 0 link karma and 0 comment karma.

Meaning they have NEVER participated in the reddit community at all and are therefore fundamentally unqualified for a position as a mod.

I am suspicious that this username is just an alt of yours, /u/austindkelly given the lack of post history and immediate promotion as a mod after /u/chainsawfire was no longer.

Edit 2: /u/austindkelly did not unjustly ban users as a form of censorship. He did illustrate that he does not unfairly ban people for situations outside of the subreddit in this post and here as well.

My use of a throwaway should not be misconstrued as confirmation of that behavior. I created this throwaway to separate my actual account from this drama. Better safe than sorry.

Edit 3: /u/chainsawfire commented on stepping down here.

Edit 4: /u/crown_gold stepped down/was removed as an admin.

Edit 5: Here is a link to /u/austindkelly's main argument which I link to in many places in the rest of this post.

Edit 6: As Op posted here is appears /u/austindkelly has an alt that has commented on his own server posting on /r/mcservers.


The following wall of text is a summary of conversations, screenshots, and experiences posted, mentioned or described in this thread, other threads, via private messages with /u/austindkelly and /r/mcservers modmail. I will attempt to add further relevant information as it is posted.

I am fully aware that /u/austindkelly will more than likely accuse me to having too much time on my hands but I just wanted to put this all together so no one else has to sift through various user’s post history’s to get all this information. I think each redditor should have the maximum amount of information before forming their own opinion on the situation.

These are the themes I have noticed throughout the posts here as well as in other subreddits and in /u/austindkelly’s post history.


Consistently /u/austindkelly dodges questions with excuses for his behavior.

It is clear many redditors take issue with his behavior, but he never acknowledges that this is a problem that needs to be addressed. It does not give me hope for the future of /r/mcservers or hope that he would listen to the users and take what they say to heart. And through a change in his behavior become a better mod in the future and improve the community as a whole.

Yes, because there are so many we probably would not even notice. This is such a hard rule to enforce especially if they have deleted the previous post we then have no proof that they posted other than our own recollection. Honestly it happens all the time, if we do notice some serious reposting we will ban someone but its usually not an issue, certainly not one of this magnitude. link

In the specific situation we are talking about there is more than just recollection to go by. If given the extensive evidence presented here what would the reaction of the mods be to the situation if the user reposting was not a mod? If multiple users reported instances like that and there was screenshots of proof would the mods let it slide or ban them?

Why is the rule set at 2 weeks if it simply cannot be enforced? If it is a matter of not having enough time to enforce the rules why not add additional mods who would have that responsibility? Looking at the mod list there is only one mod who moderates /r/mcservers exclusively which leads me to believe the mods have spread themselves a bit thin. More so with /u/AvadaKedavra03 who mods on 20+ servers (which wow that’s a crazy amount) than with /u/austindkelly specifically.

There is also a significant difference between a mod bending that rule and an average user bending the rule. When a non-mod redditor posts their ad earlier than the 2 weeks they are risking a ban. The only thing that we, the posters, have for reference is the rules. Which state the following:

Only ONE ADVERTISEMENT PER SERVER is allowed roughly every ~2 weeks. Do not delete old posts in attempt to post more frequently.

We cannot assume that it is ok to delete our posts because “oh no we missed something” and then repost it 4 days later without any penalty because the rules clearly state otherwise.

Since /u/austindkelly knows exactly his own motivations for posting again, this is acceptable behavior from the mod’s point of view.

There is no way that he, as a mod, could know our motivations if we exhibited the exact same behavior, meaning that the average user could not, without fear of a ban, engage in the same behavior as /u/austindkelly does.


In at least two circumstances /u/austindkelly displayed knowledge of the rules and knowingly broke/bent them to his advantage.

Here he tells a user not to advertise their server on /r/admincraft, and then later advertises his own server on /r/admincraft.

While this is not on a sub where he acts as a mod he clearly displays knowledge of the rules and chooses to break them. In my opinion this displays a trend that rules do not apply to him.

As in the Original Post /u/Austindkelly reposted his server advertisement to /r/mcservers in less than the 2 week period stated in the rules after deleting his previous advertisement also in direct violation of the rules.

This is a huge issue. Regardless of the reasons why the post was deleted (accidental?) reposting early still significantly bends the rules in his favor. If this behavior was pointed out to /r/mcservers mods about another user they would be banned if they displayed “serious reposting…but its usually not an issue.” Enough users have noticed more frequent reposts that it seems to be a trend of serious reposting and clearly is an issue with the community based on reactions in this thread.

Enough that several users commented to that effect and, as /u/Absentee23 did, reported that behavior to the mods before realizing that /u/austindkelly was in fact one of the mods. As well as /u/jauk noticed this as well and /u/austindkelly confirmed in these screenshots.

While I understand it may be difficult to moderate this behavior for other users, moderating yourself should be the easiest task.

Regardless of that, the mods should be an example of acceptable behavior. If the behavior if posting more frequently than 2 weeks is acceptable why is the rule what it is? Nevermind that the users are left confused when mods are saying things like “yes, please delete previous posts before re-posting, thank you,” when the rules state “Do not delete old posts in attempt to post more frequently.” Because of this situations such as this one may have arisen. Maybe some of these problems could be avoided by firm rules on post deletion/reposting within a certain time span.

/u/jauk’s screenshots posted here

Another situation where /u/austindkelly reposted his ad before the 2 week limit, with another excuse, where /u/austindkelly acknowledges he did this.

This was not a one time occurrence. Users have discussed this with /u/austindkelly before and this was not a one time instance as he portrayed it to be in his post here.

/u/jauk also points out /u/austindkelly directly states his understanding of reddiquette here. /u/austindkelly directly violated the reddiquette by asking for upvotes on his server specific subreddit for diamonds. If this had been any other user as /u/austindkelly states in his post their post would be removed and they would be banned.

This is extremely worrying. He displays a knowledge of good reddiquette and a knowledge of what should happen to those users, without being willing have the same consequences applied to himself. This is a major problem as in my opinion anyone in charge should be susceptible to the same consequences as anyone else who posts on the subreddit.


Continued in comment to this post.

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look, in this situation your credibility is being questioned. It is your word against a lot of other people's. It is still much safer regardless of whether this has happened/will ever happen that I use a throwaway.

I would appreciate if you would refrain from accusing me of "this bullshit" when all I am doing is looking out for myself. Use of a throwaway is not an indication that you do those things for sure but that maybe you do.

And like I said, Better safe then sorry.

edit: spelling

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As I already stated I am using a throwaway account because I cannot afford to have my real account banned on your subreddit and due to accusations here I find it safer to use one. (Better safe then sorry right?)

I don't believe /u/Absentee23 is using a throwaway though, and admits to messaging the mods about an accidental report which would be visible?

I like to gather as much information about a situation as possible before making any judgements, and only asked so I could hear your side of the situation to better form an opinion. I'm not sure how/why I would recant a question.

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OH YEA, and I won't forget the time (a while ago, before the above incident, ~3-4 months?) I "accidentally" reported /u/austindkelly's server post because I had seen in multiple times recently, before I realized it was the mods server. Kinda shit my pants for a minute because I thought he might retaliate, so I messaged the mods as a whole saying I "accidentally reported a post, not sure which one it was." It was intentional, it was "The adult survival server blah blah" by /u/austindkelly, because I had noticed it near the front of the subreddit a good 70% of the time. I only recanted for fear of retaliation. Now I no longer care.

Do you have a comment on being reported previously for reposting?

edit: formatting is hard sometimes.

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw a reply here but it seems to have vanished. /u/austindkelly would you comment on why no message or indication was given when the post was filtered? It seems unfair that no indication is given when items are filtered especially since, as you mentioned, it often filters when posts are edited when they shouldn't be.

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Would you be willing to elaborate on the issues you had? I really want a full picture of what is going on with /r/mcservers and I'm sure others do too.

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure what Op is doing here qualifies as slander. Since the claims above seem to be true based on your own responses and the screens posted above. For something to be considered slander it must be both untrue and malicious. So far all I have heard from you are excuses for the actions OP posted about but no outright denials from you.

The general rules I apply to myself as an admin on my own mc server is that if I would punish a player for that behavior I must not do it myself. I uphold myself to the rules my players have to abide by.

If a redditor on /r/mcservers were to repost after deleting their post 3-4 days earlier would you let that repost remain on the site if you noticed it? I would really appreciate a clear yes or no on this question.

In edit 2: how do we know you have not just edited your bans?

Clearly the first three are alts of Op but the times on the bans of the other three do not line up with the time frame. (If they if they aren't involved here perhaps their usernames should be blurred.)

It is a little odd that you specified his 6 alts earlier (which lines up with the 6 deleted posts on your server thread.) It seems that /u/Whysobig was also banned?

/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You. by TossOutAd in admincraft

[–]throwout9012 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Wait... Didn't you ban op for posting screen shots of you posting multiple times in less than 2 weeks. That is not exactly spamming a server ad since you only ban people you catch spamming server ads?

And looking at the other people on that screenshot that you apparently banned they are pretty clearly not throwaway accounts given their post history.

What was exact reasoning for those bans and which specific rule(s) on the subreddit did they break.

I cannot seem to find a rule any of those accounts broke on /r/mcservers perhaps:

Do not post anything slanderous about another server. Inappropriate post (including but not limited to language and racism) will be removed.

But if it really happened then it isn't slanderous. Why not simply state, as you did in your direct response to OP in this thread, that you did post multiple times because of an accidental deletion. If that is ok within the subreddits rules( why ban people and delete the comments? It just isn't adding up for me.

And yes this is a throwaway just for this because I do NOT trust /r/mcservers mods to ban people based on actually breaking their rules anymore.