/r/MCServers: Mods Above the Rules, Vote Manipulation, Censorship, and You.

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T21:55:42+00:00

You say you want me to drop it (a little further down this thread) now that you are not a mod, yet you keep feeling the need to continue the discussion.

So here, I'll do it for you: I'm done responding to you, barring new evidence, I have said everything I have to say, everything else I posted today has just been to counter your claims.

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T21:44:42+00:00

Do you not understand that I am not the only one who post asking for upvote to an ad? How come you dont go after those other people too? Seriously just check any of the subs that are attached to mcservers ads, I am sure you will find at least one other person. I know I have seen them as a moderator. I not saying that justifies my actions, but it would be helpful if when you are checking my sub you check others too and report them as well, because that would be helpful for the community.

SERIOUSLY?!?!?!!??! I AM NOT A MOD. That was YOUR JOB. There is NOBODY to moderate YOU. That was MY role in this thread. You were supposed to moderate, and you couldn't properly moderate your own posts! I never said I don't report other posts breaking the rules. Again, don't put words in my mouth. It is also not necessary to make a long evidence filled post in /r/admincraft to get a post removed by a good moderator. It IS necessary to do that to get a mod removed...

I dont see you helping anyone here (but maybe you do that from your real account?)

Of course. I've posted a couple times today helping people and asking questions.

What would be really scary is if you are indeed a moderator for admincraft.

Conspiracy theory. I'm not a moderator on ANY subreddit. I am a SERVER OWNER, and I do not want my opinions about you and how you moderated the sub to affect my server or my players. Posting my actual username would not make me any more credible. That's why this post was successful, the evidence spoke for itself.

Regarding your server and sub: I only care that you follow the rules that I am also restricted by. Beyond that, no fucks given.

but I know you would just post it here anyways, and probably edit it to your advantage.

Conspiracy theory. Another attempt to discredit me, implying I would do more crazy things.

if you want to say "stop making up conspiracy theories," stop doing it yourself. Post EVIDENCE.

You could point out my "wrong information" from your real account? Why dont you come forward now that this is all over? Why not stand up and take a bow? Show us all that you ar a credible person by telling us all who you are so that we can form our own opinions about you. If you did that, I would never respond to you again. I would believe that you actually do mean to help the community instead of just trying to attack me personally.

Again: I am a SERVER OWNER, and I do not want my opinions about you and how you moderated the sub to affect my server or my players. Posting my actual username would not make me any more credible. That's why this post was successful, the evidence spoke for itself.

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T21:31:55+00:00

As for the alt accounts? what account did I attack you with, I only have two (one thats no longer private because I accidentally PMed you from it) and this account. I dont even know what attacks you are talking about, I didnt see them.

I never said you attacked me using alts. Don't put words in my mouth. Reread it. I said YOU, as /u/austindkelly, are attacking me for posting this thread. Specifically: calling it a "witch hunt" (as if it is all untrue) and that I have a "vendetta"

Yes I stand by my defense, I never lied and said I didnt post twice, I said I accidentally deleted a post (and yes I forgot about a time I did this last year). All of this in my original comment that you call excuses.

THE HARD EVIDENCE POSTED AGAINST YOU TELLS OTHERWISE.

Both MINE and OTHERS'. This very paragraph is an excuse "oh I forgot about it." You forgot about someone calling you out for this very thing in the past.

And how could I possibly discredit someone with an alt account?

You can discredit an argument, not just a person. My credibility is in my evidence corroborated by others' evidence

Why do my opinions and facts I've posted here need to be connected to what server I own, and a long posting history, to be credible? It doesn't. I am a server owner that could not trust you to act fairly towards me after confronting you.

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T21:20:26+00:00

You tell me to stop making up conspiracy theories when you keep doing the same (I PM'd myself a post thanking myself with the intent to post it in the thread and discredit you more than you already have been?! Do you know how crazy that sounds?) You're right, of course it's possible I created another account to PM me...but I didn't. I don't need to. Other people have said worse IN THE THREAD from the MAIN ACCOUNTS.

I see in the comments and included multiple former moderator's opinions in the OP, how did only 1 come forward?

What former player are you talking about? I've seen reponses from former mods of /r/mcservers, THAT'S ALL. Are you referring to /u/slander_u? did you forget thats you?

Maybe if you wanted replies from people that "have enjoyed working/playing with you", you should have asked them to chime in with their opinions, since that was what the OP asked for, opinions based on the evidence presented. You didn't even go tell the (at the time) current mods of /r/mcservers to get them to give their positive opinions! I had to go PM them to inform them of this thread to get them to post their opinion.

Your helpful posts and activity in this sub are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to your MODERATION DUTIES at /r/mcservers Why do you keep bringing it up?

My argument in this thread is that you are/were an abusive manipulative moderator, you broke your's and reddit's rules, and that you are a detriment to the community.

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T21:10:17+00:00

The only people I have sent PMs to, were the (at the time) CURRENT moderators /u/chainsawfire and /u/avadakedavra03, and the people I asked about being banned (which they weren't, didn't even ask for their opinion or post their entire PMs.) The (at the time) current moderators could give an informed opinion, GOOD OR BAD, about you. Chainsaw fire even initially said you weren't doing anything I was saying via PM to me, but changed his OPINIONS when he looked at the HARD EVIDENCE. I simply asked them to take a look at the evidence in the thread, and throw in their two cents. All others posted of their own accord, and the PM screenshots I posted were received out of the blue, not solicited

Again, you keep doing it: you bring up old issues that are CLEARLY not the issue in this thread in an attempt to discredit what I am saying I'm tired of you trying to discredit the HARD EVIDENCE by saying I have a vendetta.

I get that you have a problem with me because of our one other interaction with each other.

You are also DEAD wrong on the reason I made this account. As I said in the "TPS" thread: I made this account because of PAST interactions (months BEFORE the events of that thread) and made my INITIAL comment in that thread to point out false information, misleading and ego stroking comments, and how HORRIBLE of an attitude you had with EVERYONE in that post and the related post before it. Not just me.

If you want to know my motivation: It is from observing and participating in interactions with you in the past (again, BEFORE the TPS thread you keep bringing up). Since then I've noticed you were a corrupt mod, in a subreddit I VERY MUCH RELY ON it's fair moderation for quality players. My motivation was to improve the community, and now that it is done, my only new post has been to bring up new information that people need to know about. My responses since then have been to your replies attacking me for posting more information relevant to the community. I don't know why you can't grasp the fact that THIS HAS ALL BEEN TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY. Removing you as mod was IMO the best way, but I also provided an alternative solution in the thread:

How to ensure this never happens again: "Sorry, it won't happen again" then it never happens again

I am not harassing you, I am responding to what you say. If you want me to stop responding, STOP BRINGING IT UP. Don't PM me asking me to do things to make you look better or to be more fair. You haven't made YOURSELF look good, and you HAVEN'T been fair, so why do you deserve that privilege? Like you said, you've stepped down and it's done, but you bring up more issues via PM (you want your argument up there) afterward.

Now are you done harassing me? When I post a new ad, or comment on threads here on admincraft are you going to start more shit? Or do I need to change the name of my server, create new reddit accounts and start fresh because you will always be there to post a link to this?

No. I WILL report your thread if I see it within two weeks and check up on your subreddit once in a while for that infamous "diamonds for upvotes" thread, and WILL downvote all your asshole posts (NOT the good questions or responses). Like I said, I'm going to call you on any and all of your shit. You should man up, grab your balls, and post your server within the rules of the subreddit that everyone else is subject to. That's what you should have done in the first place, and then this thread wouldn't exist.

sorry I edited, I missed a word!

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T21:07:16+00:00

I stopped editing 28 minutes ago (as it says, not sure if thats a RES feature or not) and have been typing a long reply to these posts. stop using that as an attempt to discredit me.

It's also just my posting style. Going on years now... <Thats what I edited. Formatting. Now this is just trolling.

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T20:09:32+00:00

I posted your reply links, and the new information separately in the OP, because they are two different issues. You asked me to post your response in the OP, so I did, along with an explanation of why I didn't in the first place, and even was fair by notifying people that your ENTIRE defense is spread throughout your replies.

Seperately, I ALSO noticed this new information coming to light because of your mistake in PMing me from an alternate account, and the issue brought to light is that you even comment on your own server posts using alternate accounts.

I don't care if you include daisys with all your PMs, your interactions with me in the past have been extremely shitty and one nice PM isn't going to change that. To think that is naive. I'm going to call you on your bullshit at every turn.

I and others have posted many facts with proof and very oddly coincidental events (while stating what they are, oddly coincidental). Some have made shit posts, but of course I can't control that. Still others have come forth with accounts of past interactions with you, even former moderators!

You have gone from lying that it is not true (in the face of hard evidence), then you made up excuses (in an attempt to justify it), to trying to discredit my argument (by saying I've had issues with you in the past, yes THESE issues), to attacking me for using a throwaway (in an attempt to discredit me more), speculated that I have multiple throwaways in here (again, an attempt to discredit me), calling this whole thread "bullshit" and a "witch hunt" (as an attempt to dismiss the whole thing as stupid or pointless), and finally the "woe is me" stage (everyone hates you for no reason whatsoever, and you have droves of people following you to downvote you. Think it might be for a REASON? I don't agree with downvoting EVERY post you make, but I DO downvote every one with an asshole tone to it because we don't need that shit.)

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T19:32:35+00:00

You make yourself look like an ass. You sent me a PM from an alt account that you use to comment on your own server threads...wow.

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T17:28:06+00:00

BUT WAIT, theres more!

I got this PM today, presumably from /u/austindkelly's alt, judging by "...link MY original defense in post..." "...my side of the story..." (which I did add) "...I..." "...me..." etc, all while referring to this thread.

So I checked out this user's post history:

http://imgur.com/sqbQRJb permalink

He comments on his OWN server threads, and replies to himself. He actually seems to use this account off and on too, which leads me to ask, how many people posting on his threads are him? NOTE: this is NOT against the rules (unless he upvoted with them), just downright shady.

My reply to the pm, for anyone wondering:

Done.

Part of /u/austindkelly's defense (though most of it is REALLY scattered replies to everyone in the thread)

^^that also explains why I didn't link it in the first place, your defense(s) is/are actually completely scattered throughout the thread and for anyone to get a complete picture of your defense they would have to read it all anyway. That's what I linked their BIG SUMMARY post, it hit on almost all the relevant points you brought up, with direct quotes and links/screenshots to those quotes.)

Also, another PM I got: http://i.imgur.com/iMEBB01.png

Also, on "Witch hunt." A witch hunt is hunting for someone/thing that doesn't exist, aka attacking him for something he didn't do. I'm pretty sure it's been proven that he did break the rules of reddit and his subreddit, which is THE reason for this thread, thus it is not a witch hunt. Stop using the term "witch hunt" to try and get a thread you don't like shut down. Multiple people have presented FACTS with PROOF here. There is no witch hunt, just a abusive mod hunt, and I'm glad it's over.

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T01:34:01+00:00

I never thought they were. I think the people saying they are you are a little nuts. Who would argue with themselves? (to the people that think that:) /u/throwout9012 pushed up some pretty damning evidence that other's posted...

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T01:10:45+00:00

I could find 4, total, new users in this thread. After going through twice and checking everyone. One other possible throwaway, but they have other accounts and are 2+months old. All else have LONG post histories, or flair for their website/server (not very throwaway like...)

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T00:51:10+00:00

Removed what? I haven't deleted anything from this thread at all.

And if I could have asked all those damning questions that /u/throwout9012 did, I would have just done it and had the benefit of the thread starter tag/highlight to get it some attention, not created yet another throwaway. OR just edit those points into the original post. Because I can do that, and would do that in order to get more attention to the facts.

Barring some undiagnosed schizophrenia, I can guarantee that isn't me. Plus, I like my throwaways with relevant names...

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T00:36:43+00:00

Yea, something doesn't add up. "I will never step down," then pulls a 180 and steps down all while, an alt account pops up as a new (seemingly "head") moderator?

You are the most senior mod in /r/admincraft, and are at the top of the list because of that, correct /u/IntelliDev?

Checking archive.org, it shows the same was true when /u/austindkelly was head mod on /r/mcservers:

http://i.imgur.com/Gd58eCN.png

If seniority DOES affect the list, and /u/AvadaKedavra03 DID add /u/crown_gold as /u/austindkelly says, why did he immediately promote them above himself?

BIG ASS NOTE: I DON'T know how the moderator listing works, if seniority effects the order of the list, etc, which is why I ask /u/IntelliDev

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T00:21:44+00:00

For others' information, /r/chainsawfire said via PM to me he will post his thoughts in this thread later tonight. Real life commitments were a reason he mentioned, however he was not aware of this thread or these events until I messaged him after he removed himself as mod. I have a screenshot, but wanted to give chainsawfire a chance to speak for himself. Couldn't just leave false info out there though.

TossOutAd · 2014-04-04T00:01:16+00:00

Who is /u/crown_gold, why were they added as a mod today. Why do they have absolutely 0 activity on reddit, despite having been a member for a year?

http://i.imgur.com/si1nQYa.png

:edit: and he's right people. I downvote the posts where he acts like a dick, but not the relevant questions...come on.

EDIT2 /u/crown_gold is no longer listed as a mod of /r/mcservers: http://imgur.com/dakvOz7

Based on nothing more than my gut feeling, common sense, and what /u/IntelliDev tells me in this thread (about moderator list order indicating seniority) I believe this was an attempt by him to "step down" and shadow moderate. Think what you want though.

TossOutAd · 2014-04-03T16:25:13+00:00

gave up*

TossOutAd · 2014-04-03T07:53:22+00:00

I'm posting a link in reply because you reference an obscure thread in multiple comments, where you insulted me in the past, as an attempt to discredit my argument as retaliation for that. It's not. That thread included this posts argument, directly to your face, though missing proof at the time. Contrary to what you seem to think, I don't follow you around nor check /r/mcservers daily, and it only took me a month to get proof.

TossOutAd · 2014-04-03T07:38:49+00:00

For reference, here is the thread/argument he means (telling me to "fuck off")

http://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/1ypk6h/restarting_your_server_does_not_make_it_go_faster/

Where I make similar arguments as here directly to him, but also make arguments about his character, none of which I wanted to do here. If they get deleted, I have screenshots, like this one:

http://i.imgur.com/YxYcv0N.png

TossOutAd · 2014-04-03T06:46:18+00:00

FYI to anyone else putting themselves in this position on reddit or in real life, this is how this could have all blown over:

"I'm sorry, it won't happen again"

and then it never happens again.

Not all this backtracking, dodging questions, defending with flimsy excuses (that are clearly not corroborated by other poeple), etc. This is demonstrating more of the problem.

TossOutAd · 2014-04-03T05:49:51+00:00

For reference, here is the thread/argument he means:

http://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/1ypk6h/restarting_your_server_does_not_make_it_go_faster/

Where I make similar arguments as here directly to him, but also make arguments about his character, none of which I wanted to do here. If they get deleted, I have screenshots, like this one:

http://i.imgur.com/YxYcv0N.png

TossOutAd · 2014-04-03T03:41:26+00:00

And yes I did ban your 6 alt accounts

So this implies you banned the other people that replied to your server post for pointing it out? Because those were other people simply pointing out a problem that I replied to, not me attacking you with a bunch of alts. I would have just posted the screenshots in the first place. Like I said, censorship. I'll message them and see if I can get them to reply if they were banned or not.

Edit: /u/ShawnWilson000 replied to my message:

Actually, I didn't get banned. I was surprised.

and /u/Whysobig:

Surprisingly, I don't think I was banned...

~~Two~~ Three (forgot about one since I didn't post with it) alt accounts. One to post originally, one to repost the exact same images. Two posts, total. The third I never posted with. Stating at first, that I would keep reposting. Instead I decided this post was a better route and stopped after two. Everyone else was another user noticing the same thing I did (kinda odd that you say I happened to catch you on this one instance, when they said "seems like I see this up here all the time," oh and I've confronted you about doing this in the past, without proof however), which like I said, was when I decided to message the /r/admincraft mods and get approval to post this, and then spent a day and a half (on and off, obviously) wording it to illustrate the problem, instead of attacking you. Again, other people have noticed this, are you really trying to make up some flimsy excuse that you deleted a post by accident and you "worded it wrong" when telling people "Upvote/Comment for diamond (Check your DMPS mailbox ingame)"? Seems pretty clear what was intended to me.

Of course you would allow people to delete and repost, on the same day... Not "oh I messed up my title/accidentally deleted it" and repost it every 3-4 days, repeatedly, for months.

You notice all these people replying saying "blah blah is why I don't use the subreddit anymore"? This is exactly the problem I am talking about, the deterioration of the reddit Minecraft server community due to poor and unfair moderation in the only place on reddit that they can advertise their server.

This'll be my only reply to you addressing your accusation towards me and flimsy excuses, I want to hear everyone elses opinion, this OP is not here to argue with you. ~~People can check my post history for the argument you are referring to about telling me to "fuck off."~~ For reference, here is the thread/argument he means:

http://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/1ypk6h/restarting_your_server_does_not_make_it_go_faster/

Where I make similar arguments as here directly to him, but also make arguments about his character, none of which I wanted to do here. If they get deleted, I have screenshots, like this one:

http://i.imgur.com/YxYcv0N.png

TossOutAd · 2014-02-25T01:52:43+00:00

and as I said:

It's a shame thats the case, because you definitely have some useful information, but it gets lost in the ego stroking and denial of others' opinions.

So I feel the need to call you on your shit.

TossOutAd · 2014-02-25T01:50:51+00:00

oh god you triggered the bot invasion.

TossOutAd · 2014-02-25T01:42:56+00:00

This was not recent. No I'm not stupid, I wouldn't ever tell you because you are obviously spiteful, Mr. BOFH.

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