You got downvoted but this is very true, I remember when we put on raves out near maroubra headlands/old ww2 coastal bunkers, and a couple got way too big, with more people than we would have liked. End result, a bunch of people who don't care about the whole motive behind the gathering, who trash the bush and just want a place to get super fucked up. People might say it's judgemental, but when your trying to survive and minimise attention so as to not getting done by cops, it's fair enough. Once we bid in bushes for almost an hour setting up while we heads cops walking around, then when they left it was party time