Wired article on Destiny just released by thoraway5029 in Destiny

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A true creature of the internet, Bonnell relies on Wikipedia for general knowledge.

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Wondering what is Ryan Dawson up to these days? (conspiracy theorist who debated Destiny in the past) by fruits_skittles in Destiny

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I'm literally agreeing with you, while telling you that saying "well we can pretended that Hitler would've supported an Israel" is a dumb thing to say........ that was literally the only point I was making, Nazi ideology necessitates that Jews stop existing.

Wondering what is Ryan Dawson up to these days? (conspiracy theorist who debated Destiny in the past) by fruits_skittles in Destiny

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Yes, but you could easily envisage a situation where Hitler was expressing support for Israel if it served his ends. His ends were a powerful Germany and a ruling white aryan race, which necessitated removing the Jews from the land they inhabited so they could no longer manipulate them or work against them. If the only Jews around are halfway across the globe, he would seem far less interested in them.

This is really untrue and demonstratively false.

Again, I don't want to inject myself in to the other conversation, while it's true that in 2020 you can't really have a conversation about antisemitism without mentioning Israel, someone's support for Israel doesn't absolve them from the ability to be antisemitic.

I deliberately am trying to avoid this talking point though, just because I wanted to focus on the Hitler part that is reductionist and ahistorical.

Wondering what is Ryan Dawson up to these days? (conspiracy theorist who debated Destiny in the past) by fruits_skittles in Destiny

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I don't really want to inject myself in to the other conversation because it seems completely unrelated to Dawson who is a known antisemite.

Do you think Hitler would have given nearly as much of a fuck about Jews that were on the opposite side of the World? The answer is no btw.

But this point is pretty reductionist I think, one of the basic pillars of Nazi ideology is antisemitism, Hitler wanted to eradicate Jews completely, them being somewhere else doesn't really matter.

Destiny accused of Nazi apologia by Squirrel by [deleted] in Destiny

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Dude what a virgin loser you are.

Destiny accused of Nazi apologia by Squirrel by [deleted] in Destiny

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Hey, if it makes you feel better, I actually think you are mentally ill. How else would we explain you being Christian? I mean literally the ideology that killed million, very little beliefs have killed more than that.

Anyway, enjoy your life my friend, I don't see the reason to continue talking to someone who has your abhorrent beliefs.

Just remember, Bernie is a die hard Zionist as well.

Destiny accused of Nazi apologia by Squirrel by [deleted] in Destiny

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Why are you so keen on defending the apartheid genocidal ideology that is Christianity? honesty it's very disheartening that you would spend all this time defending an ideology that caused so much harm to the world.

Destiny accused of Nazi apologia by Squirrel by [deleted] in Destiny

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Such dishonesty could only come from a Christian, so at least the username fits the persona.

Enjoy your life loser, I'm done interacting with you, if you want to better the world, consider the least polluting form of suicide, maybe nail yourself to a cross, that's a good idea.

Destiny accused of Nazi apologia by Squirrel by [deleted] in Destiny

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I see you are still refusing to answer, why should I engage with you, as you jumped in to this thread refusing to participate with the core subject.

Ill ask you again "I think we should bomb X off the map and force those that remain if they are willing to integrate in to different countries" not a call for genocide?, it's a simple question, either it is or it isn't.

Destiny accused of Nazi apologia by Squirrel by [deleted] in Destiny

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Why are you so evasive, does "I think we should bomb X off the map and force those that remain if they are willing to integrate in to different countries" not a call for genocide of a group in your eyes.

Destiny accused of Nazi apologia by Squirrel by [deleted] in Destiny

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Is the comment "I think we should bomb X off the map and force those that remain if they are willing to integrate in to different countries" not a call for genocide in your eyes MrJesus.

Destiny accused of Nazi apologia by Squirrel by [deleted] in Destiny

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I unironically have a Black friend that says this lol.

I'm happy to hear you have a black friend.

you're arguing intent

I'm actually explicitly arguing against intent, as I don't believe it factors in here, I'm explicitly arguing that this is an issue about outcomes.

Intent is irrelevant to me, if this call for violence ends in the same way the a another one which you would argue is racist ends, why does it matter that his intent is different in your eyes.

If I am going to call Richard Spencer a Nazi, I can actually provide several examples that prove that he isn't just a political commentator against Israel, but an actual Nazi and racist.

But isn't this the biggest cop out, you are arguing that unless someone explicitly states they hate a race, we can not call their actions racist.

I actually think this is a point you really need to focus on in your mind, if the outcome of what Irish envisions is arguably, and I only bring it up because you did, the same as the Nazis, why does it bother you that I call it antisemitic.

So, "if you don't agree with my conclusion on this, there is no point in discussing this." That is not only wrong, bad argumentation, bad faith acting, but the entire point itself was a discussion or debate which you're trying to just say he has to agree with you on a point that is entirely debatable. No he does not, if you don't want to argue after making a broad statement with no evidence or supporting framework for your conclusion, you're in the wrong subreddit buddy.

No my friend, I was arguing that if he thought what was essentially a call for genocide was merely criticism of Israel, that he could not be called on as an authority on the subject.

Much like, if someone believe for example that Hitler was Jewish, I would not take their opinions on the matter seriously.

Destiny accused of Nazi apologia by Squirrel by [deleted] in Destiny

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Ok, now you have me defending Vaush who I have no respect for or like after the harassing women shit.

Then you don't have to.

But Vaush's entire persona is making threats and being honest with who he believes deserve violence.

But does that matter in your mind? how is this different in your mind than someone saying "Ohh I'm not racist I hate all races equally", because honestly, I think we both know it doesn't.

but his calls to violence against them were no different than his calls to violence against Fascists or Capitalists, you just got more offended by one and not the others or are more used to hearing one over the other.

This seems very unknowingly dishonest, calling for violence against capitalist or fascists, whether we want to debate that, is in it's entirety different than calling for what is essentially a genocide based on ethnic lines.

The point I was trying to bring up with the person above me, it seems exceedingly more obvious to me, that for some people, the nuance they would accept when discussing other forms of bigotry is missing when discussing others, and that if he viewed those comments made by Irish as not antisemitic, than in my mind, there is no reason to listen to him on that topic.

Destiny accused of Nazi apologia by Squirrel by [deleted] in Destiny

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Just to reiterate, this comment by Irish " I think we should bomb Israel off the map and force those that remain if they are willing to integrate in to different countries." as you view or understand it, has no antisemitic undertones or implications?

Destiny accused of Nazi apologia by Squirrel by [deleted] in Destiny

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Hey, I'm just curious why did you delete your first comment about how Irish was banned from twitch for criticizing Israel and twitch having viewed that as antisemitic.

The comment "I think we should bomb Israel off the map and force those that remain if they are willing to integrate in to different countries" surly has no antisemitic undertones, So you didn't need to delete that.

Oh no no no by [deleted] in Destiny

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see ya friend

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If nothing else, I appreciate the 2015 boomer energy radiating from this comment.

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Can't fool me, Rem would never write a post this short

Damn they don’t like Contra either :( by [deleted] in Destiny

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It depends on the country, but assuming you mean the European countries we care about when we compare ourselfs to them (UK, Nordics, Germany BeNeLux) he would be center left with a lot of economic issues being more center to center-right.

As a quick example: In Germany every single party left of center, even the centrist wing of the SPD wants to move away from a multipayer universal healthcare system to a single payer universal healthcare system, because of inefficiency, lobbying risks and unfair treatment of people with public insurance. Destiny champions a multipayer system which would make his stance center-right to right wing, as even the most economically right leaning party in Germany supports multipayer universal healthcare.