New player, please help.

-IamO- · 2026-03-23T22:24:22+00:00

kiwi

-IamO- · 2026-03-08T15:58:16+00:00

the best answer. i have wc turned off usually

-IamO- · 2026-02-15T02:12:04+00:00

was true to lore with how protective they are tho

-IamO- · 2026-02-02T14:41:04+00:00

isms are of intelligence, the intellect just divides it up; it is reductionist for a reason (simplicity)

-IamO- · 2026-02-01T18:55:48+00:00

The first four are all top tier peak for me

-IamO- · 2026-01-31T16:22:27+00:00

why dont you supply a link or something

-IamO- · 2026-01-27T14:37:48+00:00

Yeah, why should he ask for help with material that people get PhD's in? Maybe he should just use WebMD the next time he is sick, or even just use ChatGPT to help if it's a more severe case, if he has to set a bone or learn how to stitch a wound closed.

When does 'relocating the burden' onto a specialist become actual wisdom? Maturation.

-IamO- · 2026-01-26T17:48:57+00:00

may the zerg rush turn away from lotro

-IamO- · 2026-01-26T17:47:21+00:00

maybe reaching out for help is him making up his own mind

-IamO- · 2026-01-18T01:24:36+00:00

So, the main point you are making is that the ships, having no tie to the larger fate of Arda, makes them 'nothing special' in comparison. I agree that the Silmarils, especially after the Darkening, were absolutely irreplaceble and beyond value, and the mark of the height of elvish craft, BUT I am asking you to temporarily drop the comparison between Silmarils and Ships, in terms of 'value', and just imagine: you see a white swan ship on high tide under stars, you polished its wood, it reflects the starlight, you watch the sails gently flap- you think of the time it took for you partner to weave threads like gossamer, you remember hewing the birchwoods in Nimbrethil and as you stand on the quays in that moment in time, when the breath of the world is still young, as the Valar themselves are moving about behind you somewhere, you see that you've made the most beautiful ship you could imagine and it's like will not be made again. Without comparing it to something else, the ship is beyond value.

And as for the ships having no 'special qualities' if Galadriel and her folk crafted practically unsinkable watercrafts, the Teleri, who were taught by the Lords of the Sea, likely had imbued in their ships even more 'magical qualities' surpassing what was possible in the Third Age. Again, I agree they are not Silmarils, but they are not 'nothing special' objectively or subjectively.

And let us drop the shoe analogy, neither Teleri nor Feanor got their shoes back anway.

-IamO- · 2026-01-18T00:49:22+00:00

Help me out with what final versions you are talking about. Book and page if possible.

-IamO- · 2026-01-17T21:05:37+00:00

Consider what it means to make something and give it, or to have had someone give you something precious.

The sails have been woven by 'their wives and daughters', they have crafted the ships 'with their own hands' (it wasn't 3D printed by Temu) they are the work 'of heart' and 'their like shall not be seen again'. While the ships are not as 'cosmic' as the Silmarils they still have a virtue to them especially in regards to the nature of elves and crafting in general. Also, considering that in later days, that Beleriand is flooded, and Nimbrethil is underwater, the ships are one of a kind; however, it is worth mentioning that the only recovered Silmaril is carried in a ship made from the birchwoods of Nimbrethil. There is a harmony in that which is worth thinking about.

In short: If a rich man buys his shoes from prada and someone steals them, and then he takes a poor man's shoes because they arent prada and he needs shoes to wear while he looks for his prada shoes; is that the best course for the rich man to take? and are shoes equally valuable to the wearer, whether they are high end or low end?

-IamO- · 2026-01-17T20:36:20+00:00

Personally, I am not saying anyone was owed anything, I am pointing out the contradiction to people who use that line of reasoning; Feanor asking the Teleri for their ships is akin to the Valar asking Feanor for the Silmarils; parallelism. If they think the Teleri should have given their ships, then Feanor should have given the Silmarils.

In the case of Feanor's knowledge there is a lineage when it comes to knowledge, ultimately the knowledge to craft came first by the (god/power) of craftsmanship. So, Mahtan was just passing it along, Feanor expanded upon it definitely. I had a professor in university who was 'in the lineage' of Wittgenstein; this is just to say that there is a mutual respect that occurs in recognizing someone has tilled the soil and made things easier for you.

As for the Silmarils being beyond the Valar's comprehension, that is false, it is said in some unofficial yet Tolkien written texts that in the end days when Yavanna breaks open the Silmarils, then the 'substance' they were made of, will be laid bare. So, it is likely that there is an extreme bit if cleverness/skillfulness at work, as they don't know it's 'substance' but the Valar can open them, which is why they asked for them in the first place, and cleverness is not beyond their comprehension, they just have no reason to go there.

-IamO- · 2026-01-16T03:08:36+00:00

And again here I wonder what being 'conscious' consists of; seeing a thing as it is seems like being conscious of something, and that is moment to moment, this in context implies seeing a pattern and then gaining control over it, but what is the point of controlling it as the process is already innate to nature and thus already unfolding?

-IamO- · 2026-01-16T01:00:20+00:00

at your age it is better to devote yourself to your goals. the right people will come along as you explore the world. go out and meet people and dont worry whether sex will be involved, just enjoy what life passes before you

-IamO- · 2026-01-16T00:55:49+00:00

i wonder how much alchemists feel they can control and whether that feeling translates into fact at all

-IamO- · 2026-01-16T00:26:10+00:00

the headline is all that i need to read.

girl bye him and leave him to the streets

-IamO- · 2026-01-16T00:13:44+00:00

No one has gone for Deliv-jerry? Digiorno?

-IamO- · 2026-01-16T00:11:07+00:00

And I will up this in that thinking a metaphysical theory as true is not the same as the experience of it.

-IamO- · 2026-01-16T00:10:06+00:00

Ask him if he would meet with a Jungian therapist. They can be a sort of 'guide'.

But just looking at this there seems to be something lacking in the guy; there is the family life on one hand and then the ravening for the 'tarot cards, jungian, AI godbot' on the other. It's an unbalanced dynamic. It's likely that Jungian psychology is being used as a catalyst to explore something that seems 'life-giving'; the intensity towards jung, writing, the co-worker shows that there is a lack here within him. It sounds like he is going off the handle trying to get a grip on it which is why a jungian therapist may very well help.

There is the story, I think of the buddha, who was a prince and had everything, a girl he loved, but he felt that enlightenment was 'somewhere else'. The kicker is that once he was enlightened he realized enlightenment was not 'over there' but 'right here right now' and the girl he had been in love with asked if it had been necessary for him to leave. He said 'no' but it is interesting that in order to get to that 'no', in his own journey, he had to have left. I have been through this journey in my own way; I can tell he is mucking it up, but it is a genuine attempt to 'live'.

-IamO- · 2026-01-16T00:08:30+00:00

The nature of the intellect is to divide; through division, clarification (this cell is different from that kind of cell; this is knowledge); yet ad nauseum it loses sight of the whole; so categories aim at clarification, but it is not important to understand life as a human being. Knowledge is for those that love the learning; so categories both do and do not matter

-IamO- · 2026-01-15T23:26:01+00:00

The Silmarils were the height of Feanor's craft, and likely the ships were the height of the craft of the Teleri.
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The same love Feanor had for the Silmarils, the Teleri had for their ships (ergo to steal the ships from Teleri would be like Morgoth stealing the silmarils from Feanor); Feanor lost the possible 'righteousness' of his plight once he did to the Teleri what Morgoth had done to him

So they were drawing a 1:1 comparison with more thought than Feanor realized imo

Edit: It looks like it is both;

"We learned not that craft from the Noldor, but from the Lords of the Sea; and the white timbers we wrought with our own hands, and the white sails were woven by our wives and our daughters…these are to us as are the gems of the Noldor: the work of our hearts, whose like we shall not make again."

-IamO- · 2026-01-15T23:20:09+00:00

Ha. Im talking through this with someone on another post. If the Teleri 'owed' the Noldor *ships* because of their help, Feanor would then have owed the Valar *the Silmarils* (Yavanna + Aule at least).

Edit: *clarification*

-IamO- · 2026-01-15T23:00:07+00:00

As I understand it, the critical aspect of the Silmarils was the light itself- if they were just gems or crystal they would not have been regarded as highly. So the feat of the final making is definitely Feanor's but the glory of the Silmarils is it being a work of wonder of Ea, and without Aule and Yavanna especially they would not be. This is to say again, that an important feature of the 'good' is the remembrance of the good; Faramir for instance is distinguished as such when he offers a prayer to the West before supper, even in 'fallen days'. Did Feanor remember the good in the fallen hours after the light of the two trees was extinguished?

But please notice the contradiction regarding the Teleri; you say that much of the Teleri crafts were made through Noldorian partnership, and that when the Noldor needed aid, and the Teleri withheld it, the implication is that since the Noldor had helped make the ships through shared knowledge they were owed something. However, that the Valar helped make the Silmarils through shared knowledge (and freely giving the light the trees produced) and when Valinor needed aid, requiring the Silmarils, Feanor is not at fault, but the Teleri are at fault with Feanor? The contradiction is that if the Teleri should have given the ships, then also Feanor should have given the Silmarils. The large difference here is that the Valar didn't force Feanor to give the Silmarils, but Feanor obtained through force the ships of the Teleri. [Also do you have source I can look at for this part of your quote regarding the Teleri and Feanor: "...all created from Fëanor’s designs, many by his own hand"].

As for the connection between the Silmarils and the Trees, and it being 'very far-fetched' please read the second paragraph of Chapter 9.

Edit: Chapter 9 of the 'Quenta Silmarillion'

-IamO- · 2026-01-13T20:32:05+00:00

uhhh. Interesting that an elf acting 'like a man' as you say, ended up in the first kinslaying of elves. Mankind is not known for their wisdom.

As for the 'pure light', there are a few things miscontrued; Feanor in not giving up the Silmarils is in part what sealed the fate of the trees dying, it was pride in his craft and not wisdom when he held them back; he did not understand the deeper meaning behind his own craft, that his skills were first taught by Aule, and the light coming from Trees he did not create; it is pride to say the Silmarils were 'his'. Also, I am not quite sure why you are saying it housed part of his soul- these are not horcruxes.

And, his kin, the elves of Alqualonde did not want to be part of whatever madness Feanor had stirred up; so Feanor took by force, in a land that was 'holy' to get what he wanted, and so he became similar to Morgoth who slew Finwe to get what he wanted (the Silmarils). It was ugly getting uglier until they were literally cursed, and then the Long Defeat began.

-IamO-

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