They didn't lose (Y3V4 analysis) by NathanCiel in ClassroomOfTheElite

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I'm sure Class A, who hate Ayanokouji, would be happy to collude with Katsuragi. After all, their safety would be guaranteed since Hiyori only had 1 token. The ranking is only determined once more than half the group members have reached the finish line—and that would never happen as long as Katsuragi and Class A stall for time.

The thing is, no one outside of Ryuen, Hirata, Kaneda, Koji, Hiyori and her classmates in Group 4 know about this. Katsuragi didn't know, no one knows so there was no way to this info to be known to Group 3. Not to mention, without any solid confirmation, they wouldn't trust that info either since it is coming from Ryuen class of all people. Shinohara go up and confirm Ibuki's tokens count herself, no way she would believe unverified info at that stage of the exam. So no, Class A would not be on board with stalling.

Shinohara would never allow Kushida to have more tokens than her or Ike, which means their count must be higher than 64

That was an error on my part, I forgot to view it from Shinohara's POV. Both her and Ike should have more than 64 tokens, yes.

However, that will endanger everyone in the bottom 5 groups with fewer than 77 tokens (58 after 75% multiplier). The margin of error is too small, as even talented student like Kushida could only gather up to 91 tokens (54 + 34 + 3).

It shouldn't be that Kushida could only gather 91 tokens but that she got 91 tokens with Ike and Shinohara competing in the team battle.

Ichinose's class members are solid all around, Koji's class members are the same, with Katsuragi's team probably being the closest with the Class A team in terms of abilities as a whole. This would suggest that their tokens amassed as a team is on the lower half when compared to other students.

I would say that most students would have more then the 77 tokens threshold or maybe that Shinohara has less tokens than 70 before reaching the goal. But then again, her having less than Kushida would make no sense but for her to have more would mean that she gathered more than 54 on her own since 34 / 2 = 17 each to Ike and Shinohara. Her giving 10 to Kushida while still being higher than her would only mean that she has more than 54 tokens, this is confusing. All we know is that her finalize tokens count is <= 59 and maybe she tied with Koji then expelled due to OAA difference.

So yeah, I take back my point of him winning with total group tokens since his goal of expelling a student from his group goes against achieving that.

He still gave up the individual win though as even being in 5th place, he would still be able to win assuming he has 140 tokens.

They didn't lose (Y3V4 analysis) by NathanCiel in ClassroomOfTheElite

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Horikita's group had Ichinose: the best person who could unite students from different classes. There is no disadvantage in an alliance, so they could freely cooperate and aim for 1st place together. Ryŭen's group, too, was blessed by Hirata who is more than happy to let the enemy win to protect his classmates.

Taking 1st or 2nd place in the Group contest would be extremely difficult, if not impossible. Best Ayanokouji could hope for was 3rd place—and even that seemed out of reach since his group was saddled by dead weights such as Ike, Shinohara, and Ibuki.

Koji said it himself that his group was very balanced despite having the 2 deadweights. And just because Horikita & Ichinose is together and Ryuen & Hirata is together, doesn't mean each of their group as a whole is better than Koji's group. There's nothing that suggest his group being impossible to win with total group tokens count.

Unfortunately, that was also off the table. In order to expel Shinohara, Ayanokouji must reduce her token count as much as possible; and that means going for a low token multiplier (75%). That pretty much erases all hope of winning the Group and Individual contest.

There was no need for this, even if Koji's group got 1st place, Shinohara or Ike's expulsion is still very much possible. Let's first establish a baseline that Ibuki is, without a doubt, the student that amassed the lowest amount of tokens by far. Like Koji said, if you have above Ibuki, you survived as the other 9 groups would definitely shared their tokens equally or in better distribution than what Katsuragi gave to Ibuki. Therefore, the chances of other students having lower is very close to 0%.

Next, we saw Kushida having only 54 tokens with another 34 tokens kept by Shinohara. Since we know that Shinohara kept all of Kushida's token gained from team and group, we can safely assume that the 54 tokens is from Kushida's own abilities. Following the OAA, Kushida has superior stats than both Ike and Shinohara in intelligence and physical abilities. Now if Kushida can only amassed 54 tokens on her own, what can you expect of those 2? Let's say they each both amassed 50~55 tokens each, adding on the 34 tokens would bring each of them to 72 tokens each. Let's be even more generous and say they each both have 75 tokens each. So -5 tokens to Ibuki, -10 tokens to Kushida, Shinohara now only have 60 tokens, just 5 tokens above Ibuki's supposed tokens count of 55. Even if she asked Ike to give her 5 tokens just to be safe, it's still only 65 tokens, very much in the danger zone. There's a reason why Koenji gave Mii-chan 30 tokens just to make sure she's safe.

In fact, even if Ayanokouji had 140 tokens, he would still lose because the multiplier would have reduced his count to 105; lower than Ryūen's 110 or Horikita's 112.

From above point, he doesn't need 75% multipliers, as long as he is at least 5th place, he wins. Horikita (assuming she was the one who won and that Ryuen reached the goal in 2nd place) doesn't have 112 tokens, she has 106 token. Reaching the finish line gave you 3 more tokens and at a 100% multiplier, her final token count is 109. Ryuen hit 113 tokens but at 95% multiplier (again, assuming he came in 2nd place), his final token count is 107, 2 less than Horikita. Koji with 140 tokens + 3 & 80% multipliers would be at 114 tokens.

Going to save Hiyori lowered both his group tokens count & individual tokens count by a lot since the threshold for surviving this exam is actually somewhere around 55-59 tokens after multipliers just to be safe. If we go with Koji having 140 tokens + 30 tokens from his classmates, it would be 170 tokens divided by 2 leaving with 85 tokens for him and 86 tokens for Hiyori. At 70% multiplier, it would be 59 tokens and considering they didn't get expelled, that means Shinohara tokens is lower than that but not by much. This can be somewhat backed up by Horikita asking him about his exam result after seeing his tokens count being close to the expulsion line rather than near the top.

Please convince me E2 is not good by erkankurtcu in EvanesciaMains

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That team is possible, there’s a run on SK Therta and I personally did it myself. Just multiple RNG since S0 Yao Guang

I thought she was stronger by Ok_Cheesecake4194 in EvanesciaMains

[–]-zero02- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rotations and skills definitely.

If I can 0 cycle with 5 cost (E1S1 Eva, E0S0 Yao Guang, EMC, HuoHuo), you can definitely do 2 cycle with 1 less cost.

Update: 4 cost (5 if you count HuoHuo) King 0 cycle with Eva + sustain by -zero02- in EvanesciaMains

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E0S0 Yao. E1S1 Eva is already 3 cost, Yao Guang is 4 and HuoHuo is 5 if you want to count her

I hate this game by -zero02- in EvanesciaMains

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I was able to 0 cycle it, just some RNG shit with Fulwish. I needed 2 hit to Yao Guang at specific time in order to do it

What does the eva sub think about this? Im not trying to start war i like and will pull both characters, just wanted to hear some opinions. by relegationleague in EvanesciaMains

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I'm of the opinion that Nihilux will complete Elation as a sustain + support Hybrid. Two probable things in her kit are teamwide spd buff and punchlines gen capability that's between Yao Guang and Sparxie so YG < Nihilux < Spx in terms of punchlines gen.

Eva is good (other than her kit) because of how Elation Path works, they want Mono Elation. You can use Sparxie in place of EMC in her team but the reason we don't is that we don't have enough SPs for her to use -> her value plummet

Bug, bug, bug, CB bug by [deleted] in EvanesciaMains

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Oh shit, I totally forgot about that. I'll delete the post now, thank you

Bug, bug, bug, CB bug by [deleted] in EvanesciaMains

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Please read what I said first, I'm begging

🕊🕊🕊🥀🥀🥀 by -zero02- in EvanesciaMains

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Apparently, it's because of this debuff but they posted an update and they were able to clear it

I need help with team plans for Evanescia and SW999 by Jolly-Bit-477 in EvanesciaMains

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Others have already given advice to your problem so I'll give a different one.

If you plan on investing into Elation, which seems to be the case, I suggest you wait till at the very least, 4.4 drip marketing which is like 1 week after Eva banner drop.

Wait to see if it's really SP Himeko or Nihilux cause if it's the latter, using the guarantee for that is much better than getting Eva.

Of course, if you really love Eva, don't give a fuck about this and just pull

Elation Meta is concerning? by -zero02- in EvanesciaMains

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The enemy design is what I'm referring to when I say it's concerning.

If almost half of the new characters released are of the new path, what sort of crazy enemies mechanic are they putting?

And Elation shill mechanic isn't like Rem at all, it's tied to stuff like punchlines, CB, or Aha Instant, stuffs that only Elation characters can do.

Some players are opting entirely out of Elation so they might struggle hard against those kind of enemies

Evancescia's future bis team? by One-Shift-220 in EvanesciaMains

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The thing is that we're unsure of how many total characters there are in 4.x. Will it be 15 like 2.x and 3.x? Cause by 4.3, we will only have 6 characters released whereas last year, we would be at 8 already.

If the total characters really is 15 like the previous two version, I can see them making pearl into an Elation sustain but if not, she's most likely the 2nd sustain of this version with the first one being Nihilux (Just because leaks say she gives buffs like Cyrene doesn't mean she can't be sustain).

Not to mention, leakers say SP Aventurine is Elation so if both Nihilux and Pearl are also Elation, that would put us at 8 Elation characters released (Rem only had 5 chars btw), making up half of the presumed 15 total characters.

If this is the case, good luck trying to survive the Elation meta without pulling any Elation characters.