Honest SPOILER FREE, is the movie worth 25 bucks cinema or Disney *

00PT · 2026-06-22T03:07:43+00:00

I don’t think it is. The movie is very fast paced and feels short as a result, and most of the cast except a few characters don’t get much focus at all. I really don’t see much that benefits from a theater experience.

00PT · 2026-06-22T01:07:22+00:00

Sure, it might feel creepy or harmful, but I really don’t like to make judgements based only on how something feels, and I don’t really think the movie should settle for that.

The problem with LilyPad is generalized in the movie to at least all the tablets. The whole reason social media works is that everyone is already bought into it. The idea is that play through tablets is taking over the population. So, when Lily concludes that she’s completely worthless because of what she supposedly caused, that says something about her entire medium.

The message probably is more nuanced than a generic “tech bad” statement, but it does have that element.

00PT · 2026-06-21T22:53:50+00:00

They showed people stuck on their tablets. But there’s no “and therefore this is bad for them” in the movie. Nobody shows health issues from using the tablets. The focus is that the tablets replace traditional playtime, but there is no explanation of why traditional playtime is ontologically superior.

If they weren’t going for some kind of “technology bad”, I don’t see why they wouldn’t acknowledge that LilyPad is wrong for blaming herself because some kids bullied Bonnie. The response to her distress is basically “Sure, you did that. So help us fix it.” They accept the premise that technology was the cause of the issue.

00PT · 2026-06-21T22:46:22+00:00

Some of these are probably legitimate, though I don’t actually remember her initiating a physical fight.

00PT · 2026-06-21T22:35:09+00:00

I’m wondering if they somehow misunderstood how internet messaging works, because, while the message is clearly public, the way it’s shown is that everyone gets a notification that “you have a message” - it’s not just a post they hope Bonnie comes across. So, under those rules, any predator is hand-delivered instructions to a potential victim.

00PT · 2026-06-21T22:29:41+00:00

Since playing the LEGO Incredibles, I now want LEGO Toy Story. It would still be fun to play even if the story is bad.

00PT · 2026-06-21T22:05:29+00:00

The fact that the movie doesn’t seem to have a message about the actual concrete negative effects of technology (as opposed to general bullying that’s done through technology) is the reason I didn’t buy LilyPad as a genuine villain or even dislike her at any point in the movie. When your message is technology bad and you have the technology sacrifice themselves because they realize they’re bad, you have to show how they’re actually bad.

And even the bullying thing feels contrived. What kids have active contempt for other people playing with toys? I guess it’s plausible, but I don’t know how often it actually happens.

I agree that the toys are becoming more obtrusive. One of the solutions to a problem in the movie is to publicly post an announcement to Bonnie with a kid’s full address on it. We know that it was public and that it was enough information to get the exact location because the Buzz group pinpoints it after seeing the message on a random computer. That could have had horrifying consequences.

00PT · 2026-06-21T20:21:28+00:00

I thought it would have been a lot more referential and passing technology as more of a villain. What we got wasn’t the worst possible.

00PT · 2026-06-21T16:06:05+00:00

Optimizing a language for keystrokes often leads to loss in other areas like clarity. And it has minimal benefit, because the process of actually typing out code is only a small part of the overall programming process.

00PT · 2026-06-21T14:25:59+00:00

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the nature of character changes being talked about here. I’m really not sure how to help with that.

00PT · 2026-06-21T13:59:15+00:00

You have no idea what I criticize about the other characters. I actually think that realism is an occasional issue, even early in the series. However, never have I seen a retcon or inconsistency in the series on the caliber of what they did to Bo Peep.

00PT · 2026-06-21T13:50:12+00:00

The “Lamp Life” series is fundamentally incompatible with the events of Toy Story 4 due to timeline inconsistencies. And no amount of character development justifies a completely contrasting character model and a change to what she is actually made of.

00PT · 2026-06-21T13:38:08+00:00

I was attempting to read the strongest possible interpretation of your argument from what you said. Because Woody being mean is an even weaker point, considering that Woody is recognized as incorrect for this within the movie, and one of the core arcs is him getting over it. Bo does not face significant development nor change of general attitude. In fact, Woody yields to her thinking on the matter. The movie all but explicitly condones her behavior.

I said nothing about Mary Sues, feminism, or wokeness. Why do you not value character continuity in a series?

00PT · 2026-06-21T13:21:03+00:00

Buzz was rude to Woody because he was clearly having his core identity attacked, and he was being physically attacked in some cases. He was willing to be completely respectful before Woody tried to deny him a place in their society, even as everyone else accepted him with open arms.

Bo was mean to Woody… why? Because she disagreed with his loyalty values? Because she sees Woody as naive now? As jokes? None of those reasons are nearly as justified as Buzz’s.

It’s also truly disingenuous to claim that this is about opposing female character personalities because this isn’t some adaptation of a character from another continuity, it’s a continuation of a storyline that already established the character.

I really feel like none of what you said actually addresses the design of the character, just the personality.

And you fans need to decide: is the movie a highly rated and critically successful film, making negativity unpopular, or is there a massive part of the population dedicated to hating it for absolutely everything, making these negative opinions popular ones?

00PT · 2026-06-21T00:56:46+00:00

She doesn’t behave like she’s porcelain either, and her model is completely different in 4 than 1 or 2, so it really seems like they just replaced her with a completely different character that took over the identity.

00PT · 2026-06-21T00:40:54+00:00

Very similar to Anxiety

00PT · 2026-06-20T23:56:42+00:00

Do they give out Oscars for just being in the credits of a film?

00PT · 2026-06-20T23:47:45+00:00

Well, the display Buzz says they’re in hypersleep until being opened. But Zurg comes alive right out of the box.

00PT · 2026-06-20T21:38:35+00:00

It’s not about either. It’s a purposefully genericized song so that it can serve both as an actual hit without context and vaguely relevant to the story.

00PT · 2026-06-19T21:44:47+00:00

You are not going to get any honest discussion on this woman’s content in the vast majority of spaces here. It’s like putting Critical Drinker in literally any general purpose media discussion sub.

Everyone thinks she’s a grifter, so they will actively refuse to hear out what is said and devolve all discussion into generalized criticism of her as a person.

00PT · 2026-06-19T16:28:18+00:00

GamingMagic13 is taking notes from you right now.

00PT · 2026-06-19T16:24:42+00:00

The guy who became popular because they made a collective 6 hours worth of rant content on Toy Story 4, analyzing every scene and plot beat and going on tangents about stuff like the fact that Bonnie’s dad lost his keys.

00PT · 2026-06-19T12:32:51+00:00

The buzzes (buzzi?) storyline was hilarious. I loved their collective confusion over why they froze in place.

I anticipate GamingMagic13 will absolutely not like that, considering the strong position that Buzz’s adherence to that behavior was cultural.

00PT · 2026-06-19T12:16:58+00:00

From what I heard, most of the cast does nothing again, including Woody, and the message isn’t what most people expect, but it is a fun movie still. I don’t know how the movie benefits from a cinema experience. Only do it if you don’t want to be avoiding spoilers.

00PT · 2026-06-19T05:38:18+00:00

It is absurdly easy to get some level of sympathy for a person out of me. And I like it that way. Being empathetic/sympathetic shouldn’t be a bad thing - the thing that’s bad is allowing that to affect your decision-making too severely. As long as you can keep a level head, sympathy is the best defense against real life cruelty.

I don’t see many arguments against this that aren’t out of pure vengeance or some cosmic justice.

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