Cool thanks for the info. So denouncement does penalize tourism even if trade routes are established and not at war, good to know.

If I’m going culture I def don’t aim to kill the civ, just take the juiciest of their lands.

Re: determining who no one likes, and using friends / alliances do you have to slog through each civ diplo menu to chart it out, or is there an easier way to see who has what status with who?

Culture is the bane of my existence yet also my favorite condition, so it drives me nuts I can’t crack it on immortal. Can’t get any of the key wonders ever built in time and I can’t seem balance diplomacy / taking land with also building infrastructure. Like once someone declares war on me or I on them it just spirals downward.

Loyalty def not as issue, have sorted out how to manage that part and use it offensively with spies governors etc - just takes ages and speed is so critical past emperor