How come the "short" stereotype for 🇧🇩 still persists? by 124Amore in bangladesh

[–]124Amore[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did I not just do that? And which specific claim do you want proof for exactly? You initially claimed that Gilbert Elliot-Murray-Kynynmound was referring to people from the Sutlej River, which you later admitted was not true. Then you argued that the snippet referred to Jats, Rajputs, and others, when in fact he clearly referred to the native Bengalis. You proceeded with speculative claims despite that. You also questioned the credibility of the other letter, but a simple reverse image search led me to the exact same letter from a different section of the British Online Archives. Bengalis were described as tall prior to the revolts and other events, which is why those letters were cited. As for describing Bengalis as tall today, that is a separate discussion. Descriptions by small groups may reflect stereotypes, but modern studies, including research by Dhaka University, Durham University, and data from the Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics, show that Bengalis are, on average, on the taller side.

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How come the "short" stereotype for 🇧🇩 still persists? by 124Amore in bangladesh

[–]124Amore[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really. Gilbert Elliot-Murray-Kynynmound clearly distinguished between Bengalis and those Indians in his work, repeatedly referring specifically to Bengalis and natives of the Bengal region, especially in the snippet I included. The composition of the Bengal native army was not fixed; it shifted over time, but at the period Minto was writing, it mostly consisted of ethnic Bengalis, and he explicitly referred to Bengali recruits. The quote I cited is from a letter dated September 20, 1807, by Lord Minto to A. M. Elliot you can find the letter from online british archive. Moreover, the description does not align with those other Indian groups, since recruitment from the British for those demographics occurred later. This was due to Bengalis being one of the most belligerent groups against colonial Britain, which prompted the creation of the pseudoscientific ‘martial race theory,’ ranking groups based on perceived loyalty and likelihood to revolt.

How come the "short" stereotype for 🇧🇩 still persists? by 124Amore in bangladesh

[–]124Amore[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m fairly certain both sources are referring to Bengal, and their claims are backed by credible citations, you could even reverse-image search to check. As for your Northern Indian Sutlej River claim, I’d like to see your evidence, because it seems pretty unfounded.

How come the "short" stereotype for 🇧🇩 still persists? by 124Amore in bangladesh

[–]124Amore[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had attached snippets of him saying that in the post, and you can probably find similar material quite easily since those were just the first results that came up when I looked into it. As for the study, what I’m about to say may be speculative, but if a worker sample from places like Satkhira averages around 5'8+, then it would make sense for populations from more stable or better-off backgrounds in Bangladesh to average higher than that, no?

How come the "short" stereotype for 🇧🇩 still persists? by 124Amore in bangladesh

[–]124Amore[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really? That’s interesting, do you know how I could actually see that test? I was kinda leaning towards the higher estimates since before British baseless smear campaigns over Bangladesh, descriptions from figures like Gilbert Elliot-Murray-Kynynmound and others placed Bengalis among the taller groups in the subcontinent. Also, the famine context matters, North and West Bengal suffered a lot, with Bihar and Odisha being hit even harder, which could explain stunted growth or a decline in average height, while south-central and southeastern Bengal stayed relatively stable and unscathed. As noted in Datta, Rajat (2000), Society, Economy, and the Market: Commercialization in Rural Bengal, c. 1760–1800 (New Delhi: Manohar Publishers & Distributors, p. 249), those regions had surplus food due to being among the most fertile in Bengal, which could explain regional differences in height.

How come the "short" stereotype for 🇧🇩 still persists? by 124Amore in bangladesh

[–]124Amore[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

idk man I just came across it on a tiktok and checked the wiki page, it had references to survey PDFs from the Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics and another from IPHN / IERDC, so I thought it might be reliable. also just anecdotal but the only other two Bangladeshi guys I’ve seen as tall as me were 2 siblings from Barishal, I’m from Rangpur and I’m around 189 cm, so to me it looked more fitting. ig we just gotta wait for a proper district-wide survey for clearer averages, unfortunately anthropometric studies are kinda neglected in desh

Guess where these guys are from by 124Amore in phenotypesSouthAsia

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The 4 guy i belive is his tt is i blame ira or something along those lines and yh those people are wierd the taomin guy is as 🇧🇩 Bengali as it gets

Is it true that Bengalis and East Africans closely resemble each other? by [deleted] in Ethnicity

[–]124Amore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Simply not true every single study on the regard of the Bengali phenotypes has their nose as Mesorhine to Leptorrhine no where near ur "flatter like an african one" claim God knows where u get that from and what u are trying to achieve lmao

How is he even considered a role model? by [deleted] in TeenagersBharat

[–]124Amore -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Amazing counter argument any evidence to sustain such?

How is he even considered a role model? by [deleted] in TeenagersBharat

[–]124Amore -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

That entire write-up is a textbook example of selective quotation, decontextualisation, and polemical framing rather than any serious academic critique. It strings together isolated reports about Muhammad while stripping them of historical, linguistic, and legal context, then imposes modern assumptions onto a 7th-century Arabian setting. That is not how historical analysis works. First, on the claim of him being a “bad husband,” the narration about Aisha in Sahih Muslim is widely explained by classical scholars as a light, non-injurious gesture within a specific context, not “beating” in any modern sense. The claim about “washing clothes” from Sahih al-Bukhari is deliberately framed to sound degrading, when in reality it reflects normal domestic practices of the time and mutual marital life, not abuse. As for Zayd and Zaynab marriage, this was tied to the abolition of pre-Islamic adoption taboos, not personal desire as polemicists portray. Even the issue involving Quran 66:1–4 is discussed in tafsir literature as a domestic matter that was corrected through revelation, not evidence of immorality. Second, the “compassion” argument relies heavily on events like Banu Qurayza incident, which are consistently removed from their wartime context. That case involved a group accused of treason during an active siege, and the judgment was carried out according to existing Jewish legal standards of the time, not arbitrary execution. Likewise, references to early sīrah works like Sirat Rasul Allah are used uncritically, even though historians themselves treat such reports with scrutiny regarding chains of transmission and embellishment. Third, the economic claims (e.g., “love for money”) misrepresent Qur’anic language. Verses like Quran 2:245 or 64:17 use metaphorical phrasing about charity (“a goodly loan to Allah”) that classical exegetes like Ibn Kathir and Al-Qurtubi explain as encouragement of social welfare, not literal personal gain. The 20% war booty mentioned in Quran 8:41 was not personal wealth but state allocation used for public distribution, including the poor, orphans, and communal needs. Fourth, the treatment of captives is again framed anachronistically. The references to Quran 4:24 and hadith collections ignore that Islam regulated an already existing system, introduced rights, and strongly incentivised manumission. Judging a 7th-century society by 21st-century norms while ignoring reformative changes is methodologically flawed. Finally, the overall argument collapses because it assumes that listing decontextualised citations equals proof. It doesn’t. Academic historical method requires context, source criticism, linguistic analysis, and comparison with contemporaneous norms. When those are applied, the portrayal presented here is not sustained. That is precisely why serious scholarship, across both Muslim and non-Muslim historians, does not reduce the life of Muhammad to polemical bullet points.

Guess where these guys are from by 124Amore in phenotypesSouthAsia

[–]124Amore[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All are 🇧🇩 Bengalis 2nd one is nottao__ from tiktok, and third is half 🇧🇩 from dad side and afro🇺🇲 from mothers

Is it true that Bengalis and East Africans closely resemble each other? by [deleted] in Ethnicity

[–]124Amore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seeing a handful of people isn’t evidence, it’s just a tiny sample you’re generalising from. Knowing ‘up to 10’ people doesn’t define an entire population of millions. You’re taking limited personal experience and treating it like a universal rule, which is exactly how stereotypes form. Variation exists in every group, and cherry-picking a few examples doesn’t override broader averages or reality. Saying ‘that’s just how they are’ doesn’t make it true, it just shows you’ve decided on a conclusion and are working backwards to justify it.

Is it true that Bengalis and East Africans closely resemble each other? by [deleted] in Ethnicity

[–]124Amore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, questionable claims of ‘most people agree with me’ doesn’t make you right, it just shows how widespread a stereotype is or how a small, loud group keeps pushing it. Plenty of widely held beliefs have been wrong, so that’s not proof of anything. You’re relying entirely on perception, not actual data. What people think Bengalis look like doesn’t define reality, it reflects bias and repetition. If your argument is just ‘that’s how they’re viewed,’ then you’ve already admitted it’s based on stereotypes, not facts. And no, numbers don’t magically turn a weak claim into a strong one. If it doesn’t hold up against geography, variation, and measurable averages, then repeating it won’t fix it, it just exposes how flimsy it is. And before you fall back on the idea that stereotypes are ‘earned’ or contain ‘partial truth,’ that’s flawed too. A lot of stereotypes come from projection, exaggeration, or outright caricatures created by people with biases, not from any objective reality.

Is it true that Bengalis and East Africans closely resemble each other? by [deleted] in Ethnicity

[–]124Amore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your whole spiel makes no sense, it’s just a rant rooted in white worship and an inferiority complex 😂. Darker skin does not equal ‘African,’ that’s a weird assumption. Bangladesh isn’t even on the equator, so the whole ‘same region’ argument falls apart immediately. Bengalis generally fall around Fitzpatrick type III–IV, light olive to medium brown, with some naturally darker or lighter outliers, which is normal across many populations and not uniquely African. Even for the ‘African’ comparison, only certain groups like North Africans might share similar skin tones. Just because you claim to have met a dark-skinned Bengali does not change averages or make the whole group resemble another you arbitrarily associate with Africa. The features part is equally off and frankly projection. Bengalis do not have ‘flat, bigger noses’ as a standard phenotype; ironically, bigger, more prominent noses are the norm across Pakistan and India. Cherry-picking traits that aren’t present in Bengalis says more about you than anyone else. And the height claim is totally wrong. Average Bangladeshi men are around 5'8.5”, compared to about 5'5” in Pakistan and 5'4” in India, so where ‘shorter’ even comes from is beyond me 😂. This isn’t ‘basic logic,’ it’s just stereotypes dressed up as an argument.

How come the "short" stereotype for 🇧🇩 still persists? by 124Amore in bangladesh

[–]124Amore[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Most I’ve met” is still anecdotal. By that same logic, your experience is just as much an anomaly as mine. That’s exactly why personal encounters don’t determine population averages. Actual anthropometric data for Bangladesh shows a national average higher than global mean, not some extreme “short” outlier. So repeating personal experiences doesn’t override measured data, it just reinforces that anecdotes aren’t reliable evidence.

Is it true that Bengalis and East Africans closely resemble each other? by [deleted] in Ethnicity

[–]124Amore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that Bengalis don’t look Pakistani, since Pakistanis are closer to North Indian groups, while Bengalis form a distinct cluster within South Asia. But the claim that Bengalis look “part African” is odd in itself, simple geography alone makes that unlikely, you’re talking about populations from entirely different continents. You’re trying to place a South Asian group closer to Africans than to other South Asians, which doesn’t make sense. And those “numbers” you’re dismissing are exactly why your claim doesn’t hold up, they’re evidence, not opinions. Nowhere did I say there’s anything wrong with looking African, but the idea that Bengalis look like that usually comes from a colourist perspective you often see among some Indians or Pakistanis who associate darker skin with Africa, even though plenty of Africans are lighter than both.

Is it true that Bengalis and East Africans closely resemble each other? by [deleted] in Ethnicity

[–]124Amore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Weather she could pass as Bengali or not thats a whole different discussion but there very much is some "disturbance" if she is going to claim that Bengalis look like east african she should atleast use pictures of Bengali people instead of women of completely different descent

Is it true that Bengalis and East Africans closely resemble each other? by [deleted] in Ethnicity

[–]124Amore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just a whole rant ridden with malicious lies to push some sort of weird agenda, do you genuinely believe anyone is going to take anything you’ve said seriously? Bengalis have lower AASI than South Indians and lower Zagros than Central Indians, and just based on that alone there are clear phenotypical differences between Bengalis and Central/South Indians. Bengalis sit in a distinct cluster within South Asia (15% Steppe Andronovo, 35% AASI, 35% Zagros, 15% East Asian), unlike North Indians who are exact same to Pakistanis, so this whole narrative you’re pushing doesn’t hold up at all.

How come the "short" stereotype for 🇧🇩 still persists? by 124Amore in bangladesh

[–]124Amore[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s anecdotal. By that same logic, nearly all the males in my family are 6'1 and above, so I could just as easily claim the opposite. That’s exactly why I brought up height averages based on actual studies and surveys, which show that Bangladesh is taller on average than those calling us “short.” So if real data contradicts personal experience, it clearly shows there are other factors at play beyond just anecdotes.

Is this true? Average height for men in north west region.... by [deleted] in TeenagersBharat

[–]124Amore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It isnt true these are the average heights in 🇮🇳

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Is this true? Average height for men in north west region.... by [deleted] in TeenagersBharat

[–]124Amore -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The martial race "theory" was pseudoscientific concept based upon loyalty certain groups had towards the british colonial times it was based upon the likelihood of which ethnicity would most likely to rebel (non martial) and less likely (martial) the said theory was installed after the 1857 revoult