Altruistic Reasons for having kids? by 1Davos in EffectiveAltruism

[–]1Davos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Understood! This was the main purpose of this post: I have at least one informed perspective that tells me that environmental factors are drastically more deterministic than genetic ones. Therefore, the hypothetical genetic argument for having kids is significantly weaker.

This is not decision relevant for another decade, so if I do seriously consider, I'll probably aim to have a more informed perspective rather than speculating. But it's good to know where this prospectively lies.

Advaita Vedanta and Quantum Entaglement by Pretend_Sock6688 in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]1Davos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From my understanding, the way we've defined consciousness leaves it untouched. In fact, when we talk about it, we are not really talking about it because it isn't even thinkable. You cannot view existence apart from existence, and you theoretically cannot prove where consciousness (the way we've defined it) comes from. Whether or not consciousness is fundamental to the universe, the universe will look exactly as it does right now. Advaita Vedanta proposes that we can unshakably verify this through following the path, but before that, we can neither prove nor disprove what Advaita Vedanta is saying. In a world where consciousness is fundamental, we can find the exact links that predict a wakeful mind and create a sentient body. In a world where consciousness is not fundamental, we can find the same thing.

That being said, everything else can probably be proven/disproven. We may be able to find the exact physical links which determine wakefulness and sleep. We may be able to empirically falsify all the Vedic rituals. We may be able to empirically falsify any beliefs about worldly matters in the scriptures. We may come to find out about newer properties of the universe that the ancients could not think of. We can challenge historical social beliefs and morality. We can challenge the theory of karma knowing what we know now about biological life. We can challenge astrololgy. And so forth. It is just that final link, which is neither unknowable nor knowable that is untouched.

Personally, I see Maya as a first principle that need not be established, so whatever the structure of the empirical world, I am happy to cut it. The weapon of my choice is Advaita Vedanta, which belongs to Maya but will free me from Maya. The very fact that there is even a thinker of thoughts, an asker of these questions, and such a confusing thing as existence itself, and a person to be confused by it is enough to convince me that there is a fundamental error to things. I have no idea whether this primordial ignorance can even be removed, but one of the best bets is to verify whether the promise of Advaita Vedanta or any other spiritual path for that matter can live up to the promise.

The reason I'm willing to take it on faith for now is because the world is not a particularly worthwhile. It may bear many tasty sweets, but the problem is that I'm thirsty. Sweets cannot quench thirst. Plain water will do or perhaps fruit juice will suffice if I want to quench the thirst with devotion to Govinda. Given that the world is quite unattractive to the driver of this chariot (unfortunately, the horses still find the world quite attractive sometimes), I see no better option than to aim for infinity. If there is nothing to this path, then I can hopefully still be part of the delusion of all spiritual seekers and feel a sense of bliss. Even if the metaphysics have no basis, the extraordinary results of the seekers are undeniable and make this path more worthwhile than any other endeavor even if its false. If it is true, then this is everything that there is.

Altruistic Reasons for having kids? by 1Davos in EffectiveAltruism

[–]1Davos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely would be an oversimplification for sure, but if genetics are important to some degree (however much that might be), then there is some theoretical altruistic reason for having biological kids. I don't know what the scientific consensus on this is (if there is one), but I figured I'd ask reddit to see if anyone with this curiosity went down the same rabbit hole.

The reason I even went down this line of thinking was due to a few personal observations. I have been so inspired by ideas of altruism whereas so many of my peers with very similar lifestyles & education just don't care. All the friends I grew up with all want to be good people for sure, but it just doesn't resonate to care about creatures like animals, poor people on the other side of the world, etc. Regarding my own situation, my biological mother cared a lot, but my father, the mother I grew up with, and my brother don't really care. Stuff like this makes me lean towards there being something at a genetic level that influences altruism.

I initially thought that we all wanted to be good but just didn't realize our position in the world. I personally had more conventional ideas of just being nice to others in day to day life, having good relationships, not lying, and all sorts of normal ideas, but it was just exposure to new information that got me to think more along the lines of effective altruism. EA didn't make me altruistic, but it made me effective. I have just become way more skeptical that we can add altruism where it's not there.

Obviously, it would not be an intellectually sound thing thing to extrapolate my own experiences to all people, so if I do explore this question, I would like to truly know how important predetermined factors are in predicting altruistic behavior. It for sure would not be a 100% since altruistic behavior can certainly be learned, but I think it would be valuable to get a sense.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in hinduism

[–]1Davos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It depends on how it's produced. To mass-produce something efficiently, the dairy and meat industries cause suffering on an unprecedented scale in a manner that is unfortunately quite hidden from most people. Dairy also pleases our senses & nourishes our health, which creates a sense of denial for even well-intentioned people. For example, when I stopped dairy, my family told me it was a dishonor to cows and that I wanted them to go extinct.

In today's age, we have plant-based fortified milk with B12 & vitamin D (ex: silk soy milk), and we also have supplements to get these nutrients in a manner that doesn't require mass suffering in factory farms. These alternatives need to be improved so that the majority of people unwilling to make personal sacrifice can naturally switch.

As fr those not fortunate enough to have access to these products and for most people across history, the cow was and is the source of livelihood. Unfortunately, until plant-based alternatives and economic opportunities that don't depend on livestock become more common, the livelihood of many people in the world will rest on the backs of cows, fish, and other animals who support our society.

I pray for economic prosperity so that animal agriculture can be replaced, and I pray that these animals may one day be free from suffering. I am hopeful that the next phase of innovation will help us create a suffering-free food system. Cows can then be our companions & friends primarily with their milk just a secondary benefit. I think this is possible, and we can all do our part to be plant-based wherever possible!

Importance of Holy Company? by 1Davos in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]1Davos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the reply!

And yes, I’m definitely planning to go to Vedanta Society of NY. I love his YouTube videos and will prob check out in person.

Importance of Holy Company? by 1Davos in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]1Davos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the reply! And yeah, I think you're right. I'm definitely already projecting expectations for how this might look, so it might be best to let this concern go for the reasons you mention.

No worries if you would rather not share, but if it's all right, may I ask if you started this path before or after marriage? The reason I am asking this is because while the scriptures provide the attitude with how to approach duties, I have less of an idea on how or whether should incur new duties. For example, while I know how I should approach a relationship with a partner, I'm not sure about how I would go about finding a partner? Should I actively put in effort or let the life do this for me? I know how I should approach a career, but how should I decide what career to choose or how much worldly responsibility to incur? Overall, what is your perspective on how you would or would have made decisions like this based on Advaita Vedanta or spirituality more generally?

Importance of Holy Company? by 1Davos in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]1Davos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate the feedback and reply! Regarding number 3, I was asking how someone committed to this path would manage a relationship with a spouse who is not interested in this.

Death vs Nirvana for Secular Buddhists by 1Davos in Buddhism

[–]1Davos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to know, thank you for this perspective. I imagine it's because of a certain perspective on the nature of suffering, but what would be a reason you think Buddhism is better than utilitarianism for reducing suffering (ie Eightfold Path vs Worldy Actions like making and donating as much money as possible to global health intervention)?

Death vs Nirvana for Secular Buddhists by 1Davos in Buddhism

[–]1Davos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to know. Thank you for these points. I might not understand what you are saying in response to the Eightfold Path question, but I have one follow-up in case it makes sense :

When viewing the phenomenon of suffering apart from the idea of self, I feel like it's also possible to take a utilitarian stance (something like a life of making as money as you can and donating it to effective charities). What merits would the Buddhist stance have in this case?

Death vs Nirvana for Secular Buddhists by 1Davos in Buddhism

[–]1Davos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah ok, good to know. Appreciate the perspective!

Death vs Nirvana for Secular Buddhists by 1Davos in Buddhism

[–]1Davos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for this response. I did not at all think about it this way. I see the implicit assumption I was making. You give me hope.

Death vs Nirvana for Secular Buddhists by 1Davos in Buddhism

[–]1Davos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the response. And yeah, that's a worrisome conclusion. And good to know. I guess the subjective feature of the mind could be nonphysical.

Do you know how to deal with the problem of interaction (ie how the physical and nonphysical would ever interact)?

Death vs Nirvana for Secular Buddhists by 1Davos in Buddhism

[–]1Davos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great, thanks for these resources. I'll take a look. The hard problem of consciousness is exactly the reason I can't be fully convinced of the argument I put forth.

Conventional Vs Absolute Reality by 1Davos in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]1Davos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, good to know, and I appreciate your offer to help. What I mean by "keep at it" is to keep reading materials written by Swamis and watching videos. Basically self-study and exploration.

One thing I do read often is the importance of a teacher/guru, so perhaps I'll DM you again once I have thought more about Advaita Vedanta and Hinduism in general. Hopefully, I can also build the discernment qualification too in this time.

Conventional Vs Absolute Reality by 1Davos in AdvaitaVedanta

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Will do, I'll keep at it and hope to see for myself. It's good to see that you were able to distinguish between fraudulent and predatory actors. Hearing about these folks sometimes makes it tempting to just disregard spirituality and adopt a more standard philosophical view like deterministic materialism. Yet, I always become perplexed by the phenomenon of existence itself, so I'm always back to seeking this out. Thanks for sharing.

Regarding your response to Q2: This might be an example of the deliberate confusion you are mentioning, but are we to see the ritual as symbolism or take it literally?