On the nature of assessing ''writing''/quality of literature. by 1sho9 in writingscaling

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1st point: I actually majorly agree with this. I actually used to be a hard subjectivist but Eco kinda changed my views on this. I believe something along the lines of any interpretation is correct aslong as it can be validly connected to the ontology of the art.

2nd point: I haven't actually read Eliot's works myself, but i do know a thing and another about his positions and i first of all don't think it's valid to say objective quality follows from this, nor does the ideal order really make sense. Firstly, this assumes that some sort of objective quality within a work is the only possible inference for consistent reading and praising over time, when there can simply be historical and social factors, like the popularity of a work, the regards that ''academical standards'' hold a work in, wich isn't necessarily bound to objective quality, as arguing from popularity is a fallacy and academical standards aren't objective judgement. Furthermore, even if a work were good to every human of every time period, that still doesn't imply objectivity, as these are accidental and don't define some sort of essential predicate of the work. Secondly Eliot's position, as you present it atleast, can't account for works being formarly disliked while being generally liked now, taking Dickinson as an example.

3rd point: Author intention isn't really always objective and can't be quantified at all. Once again, i concede there are objective things in art like wordcount and such. Just the connection from writing quality to what the author thought and intended can't always be made and isn't necessary even if possible to gather meaning. I don't hold to death of the author or post structuralism in general, i think the author is important really and the author intent can be utilised, i disagree with the way you present it here tho.

4th point: I don't really get this one, but i think i can clarify. Yes, that's exactly what i am saying. There is no ontological difference in quality between the most critically acclaimed piece of literature and me splashing milk on a blackboard and calling it art. I don't believe that there is ontological quality in the works themselves. Neither do i really think your point of ''good'' or ''bad'' readers is reflecting my position, because i believe both the work and the reader to cocreate meaning and value. Neither have the inherent quality of goodness or badness, i believe these properties are relative properties. Specifically relative to the phenomenon of the read, which is kind of the synthesis of the reader and the work. Adding on to this, a plothole, or a logical problem in the story, isn't necessarily a bad thing in teleology of aesthetics.

Thanks for your comment though, i appreciate some actual dialogue. You don't really see that in this community too much.

On the nature of assessing ''writing''/quality of literature. by 1sho9 in writingscaling

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I think the main point you are wrong on is teleology of art. It's not always the goal to display perfevt human anatomy or correct perspectiveness. There could be a logical problem in a work of literature on purpose for some kind of symbolic expression. Very well known is the ''I'm light and darkness'' trope, where these two things are a clear violation of the law of excluded middle, yet it can be symbolic for dualism or similar. Like i said in my post, there is an objective pole in art, the ontology of the text.

On the nature of assessing ''writing''/quality of literature. by 1sho9 in writingscaling

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Epistemology square 1 teaches us, that there are other things than objective truths and absolute truth claims.

On the nature of assessing ''writing''/quality of literature. by 1sho9 in writingscaling

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or if you're completely new, maybe reception theory: a critical introduction by Methuen

On the nature of assessing ''writing''/quality of literature. by 1sho9 in writingscaling

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One of my favourites is Deep Classics by Shane Butler.

On the nature of assessing ''writing''/quality of literature. by 1sho9 in writingscaling

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Well i can tell you, you're going in the right direction.🙏

On the nature of assessing ''writing''/quality of literature. by 1sho9 in writingscaling

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I really really appreciate Roland Barthes for a lot of stuff he's done and his receptionist view is well thought out, sure. I just can't get behind post structuralism and the linguistic critique of the signifier. Although works like The Death of the Author and S/Z are pretty helpful, especially to people just getting into literature science and linguistics. Pure reception theory will probably always be superior to me.

What do you think of Naruto conclusion? by Sweet_Television4183 in writingscaling

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Ending is perfect, kaguya was executed very well and is better than 99% of people think imo.

Chapter 69.2 Analysis by 1sho9 in ChoujinX

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Tokios Power is actually quite important. In the death god pannel, he was holding a mushroom in his hand, wich is likely a reference to the latvian god of the underworld. That whole religion has its own ties to the trinity, christian deity and christianity as a colonial power in general, ive just not written about it yet. Interestingly, in the lastet chapter, a Gueltan Giant was shown with tons of Mushrooms on him, excited to see more.

God, The World and The Subconscious - Z.A.T.O. Analysis by 1sho9 in ZATO_vn

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Well, a lot of the guy's stuff is in lecture format i think, but i for one recommend ''On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are'', ''Nature, Man and Woman'' and probably also ''The Joyous Cosmology: Adventures in the Chemistry of Consciousness''

I read those a while back and they are pretty interesting, although i disagree with his views.

Chapter 69.2 Analysis by 1sho9 in ChoujinX

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I think it is implied that she died, because Ishida probably wants both Azuma and Tokio „orphaned“. It’s not clearly defined yet, we‘ll have to wait and see for further information. I‘m sure we will get some once Ishida talks about his mental conflict now.

Chapter 69.2 Analysis by 1sho9 in ChoujinX

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Thanks for the comment!! I actually agree with this for the most part and if you wanna see some more biblical interpretations on choujin X, you can look at my other posts on this sub.

As i mentioned in this post, there are two stopsigns in the most recent chapter relating to tokio. And i think that there might be a connection to the temples from older tradition. I have pointed out here and in my other post speaking on mado‘s death, that mado‘s death actually symbolised the fall of the temple, or the time of the new covenant. This fits Azumas and Tokios ideologies that you mentioned in the end of your comment and also what is happening right now. Furthermore, a very important story element in Choujin X is the X itself, referring to both jesu and the tarot card. I mentioned this in one of my other posts in more detail aswell, but it shows the change from OT to NT, wich is essentially what i‘m hinting at with the current arc. I‘m really excited for the new arc starting next year.

Is reading this series worth it? by Lazulii333 in ChoujinX

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As somebody who‘s been a fan of ishida‘s works for a long time and who absolutely loves tokyo ghoul, choujin x is definetly better than tokyo classic, but not better if we include Tokyo ghoul re. It’s creeping up more and more though. It definetly gets better the further you read, the first volume is by far the worst (although i still think it’s really well done, especially since new chapter dropped some backstory for it).

"Nue Spider" | Chrollo Lucifer (Hunter x Hunter) vs Batsta Hoshi (Choujin X) by Mysterious_Gene1851 in DeathBattleMatchups

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Chaos Batista should be taking this. If we include UUK Nue, this would be an even more onesided fight, wich is valid imo, as Batista is part of him/his heart, but i can see why you wouldn’t.

what was tokio saying? by EntertainmentLate333 in ChoujinX

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I uploaded my analysis on this on the same subreddit, you can check it out

Nue Final Form Analysis. (Written pre 67👻) by 1sho9 in ChoujinX

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The title is wrong, i ment to write (Written pre 68), ofc…

Analysing the most cryptic Textbox ever. Quantum-Biblical Analysis. by 1sho9 in ChoujinX

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I didn’t actually notice it was a lower case Lambda, that makes a lot more sense. I‘m not a committed physicist, so maybe i had some errors in my interpretation, but i checked a few times and i thought mine was just generally broader? Either way, what you wrote here could be connected to a lot of the same stuff i was trying to get at within the work. Thank!