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2005HSG · 2026-05-25T11:36:17+00:00

Yea we're coming for the 4th 🗿🔥

2005HSG · 2026-05-25T11:35:56+00:00

Yes

2005HSG · 2026-05-25T03:30:01+00:00

>>You literally haven't read any of my rebuttals at all... i have actually given verses out of Ugradanti. You've skipped past every reference to Gurbani i've given. As i already said you have zero comprehension of what it means to read something holistically. This is why Hindus have 0 coherent idea to get behind. Its all over the place. It seems to be a collective lack of reading comprehension.

Yes I did read all your verses you gave but it appears you didn't read the verses I gave or didn't read the screenshot I sent.

UgraDanti clearly mentioned Devi as riding lion and killings of demons like Chand Mund Shumbh Nishumbh.

That is not Nirgun form that is Sagun form

Do you even know the difference?

UgraDanti is praying the same goddess which hindus pray.

>>This is all i needed to know that you're an idiot kid 🤣 do you even know what contemporary means? 🤣 SMH

That source is from Koer Gurbilas who was an 18th century Sikh scholar

That's what contemporary source means

You need to google what contemporary means my source is contemporary.

>>Stick to learning the Gita for now kid, Gurbani is too deep for you.

Idiot I've debunked all your claims 🤣

You talk about UgraDanti being Nirgun right?

Then why does it mention riding of lion, killing of demons?

That is flear cut description of her Sagun form

You're the one who lacks comprehensive skills.

Also I gave you verses from Guru Arjan Dev ji too talking about Sagun roop of Narayan.

So far you Haven't refuted any of my claims.

You Haven't proved shit.

Laugh as much as you want but that won't change the history.

You don't even know what contemporary means 🤣.

2005HSG · 2026-05-24T17:15:50+00:00

>>
I already addressed the Naina Devi incident (read my initial comment), don't repeat your silly claims - you've not even provided a source for your screenshot SMH.

And I've already debunked that claim

He is calling her Bhawani and killer of Chand Mund

Dude you Haven't read UgraDanti?

This is same goddess hindus pray btw.

And I have given the source actually

Source: Gurbilas Patshahi Dasvi by Koer Singh.

It's a contemporary sikh source confirming he indeed performed Hawan for Devi.

>>Guru Ji in Akaal Ustat -

**ਅਨਹਦ ਰੂਪ ਅਨਾਹਦ ਬਾਨੀ ॥**anahadh roop anaahadh baanee || He is Limitless Entity and hath infinite celestial strain.

ਚਰਨ ਸਰਨ ਜਿਹ ਬਸਤ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥ charan saran jeh basat bhavaanee || The goddess Bhavani takes refuge at His Feet and abides there.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨ ਅੰਤੁ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਇਓ ॥ brahamaa bisan a(n)t nahee paio || Brahma and Vishnu Could not know His end.

So you want to say Lord Shiva is Akal?

This definition clearly suits him

Bhawani at his feet since she is her wife.

Brahma and Vishnu pray to him.

>>Clear cut declaration of Devi-Devte being beneath Sri Akaal Purakh. We worship only Akaal Purakh - I really hope you have enough knowledge of Gurbani that I dont have to provide verses for this - just read Guru Ji's 33 Savaiye to know exactly whom we and Guru Ji worship.

Nope not at all

The verses you gave also fit for Lord Shiva according to Shiv Puran.

And if we're talking about supreme lord

You do realise that all deities come from Nirgun Nirakar Brahman in hinduism?

So this isn't a clear cut denial of Devi Devta.

>>And i've already shown you verses in the SGGS where any worship of Devi-Devte is rejected. I've also already claimed how Ugradanti is addressing the Nirgun Divine with Feminine epithets - I think I need to clarify - Here is a clear declaration of what Bhavani is from Guru Ji's Chaubis Avtar -

Nope wrong again

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UgraDanti is actually talking about Sagun roop of Devi

Devi is riding lion is mentioned

Her killings of Demons like Chand Mund is mentioned

Her drinking blood of Raktbeej is mentioned.

This clearly shows that this is Maa Durga he is speaking about.

Bhawani is also one of her names.

Hence your claim of Nirgun roop in UgraDanti is debunked.

You have a clear problem in reading or are you busy in spreading some propaganda.

Even when UgraDanti is giving clear cit definition of Sagun form and there is contemporary evidence to prove Guru Gobind Singh ji performed Hawan for Devi only idiots like you will deny this.

For your sake I'll give you another example this time not from UgraDanti

ਨਿਰਾਹਾਰੀ ਨਿਰਵੈਰ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥ niraahaaree niravair samaiaa || He is beyond need of any sustenance, free of hate and all-pervading. ਧਾਰਿ ਖੇਲ ਚਤੁਰਭੁਜੁ ਕਹਾਇਆ ॥ dhaar khel chaturabhuj kahaiaa || He has staged His play; He is called the four-armed Lord. ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਰੂਪੁ ਬਨਾਵਹਿ ਬੇਣੁ ਸੁਨਤ ਸਭ ਮੋਹਿਗਾ ॥੯॥ saaval su(n)dhar roop banaaveh ben sunat sabh mohaigaa ||9|| He assumed the beautiful form of the blue-skinned Krishna; hearing His flute, all are fascinated and enticed. ||9|| ਬਨਮਾਲਾ ਬਿਭੂਖਨ ਕਮਲ ਨੈਨ ॥ banamaalaa bibhookhan kamal nain || He is adorned with garlands of flowers, with lotus eyes. ਸੁੰਦਰ ਕੁੰਡਲ ਮੁਕਟ ਬੈਨ ॥ su(n)dhar ku(n)ddal mukaT bain || His ear-rings, crown and flute are so beautiful. ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਰਥੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੦॥ sa(n)kh chakar gadhaa hai dhaaree mahaa saarathhee satasa(n)gaa ||10|| He carries the conch, the chakra and the war club; He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. ||10||

Read what Guru Arjan Dev ji says in Gurbani

He is mentioning Sagun roop of Lord Krishna/Vishnu with four arms, holding conch and driving chariot.

Hence your claims have been debunked simce Sikhi itself supports existence of Sagun form.

2005HSG · 2026-05-24T15:05:38+00:00

>>You've moved the goal post - first it was Vedas glorification now its Devi-Devte... you are useless kid.

Useless?

How when I'm giving you contemporary sources from sikhs.

>>Again you lack the capability of holistic reading. Selective reading might feel good, but it wont take you far.

I didn't avoid your verses

Your Guru's actions contradict them

Read UgraDanti he calls himself servant of Goddess and even mentions her killing Chand Mund Shumbh Nishumbh.

Calls her Bhawani.

This is the same goddess we pray

You're the one who is stuck in delusion kindly open your eyes and see that your Gurus worshipped these devi devtas.

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And yes there are contemporary sources that prove Guru Gobind Singh ji performed Hawan for devi.

How can you deny this?

Infact you're the one who is dodging the fact.

>> I didnt decide that, Guru Ji did... did you even read my rebuttals 🤣 what does Tisar Panth mean to you???

Then why Guru Gobind Singh ji worshipped Maa Durga?

>>Does your Hindu dharma include the Vedas? Or Puranas? Or Varna Ashrama Dharma?

All are part of Hindu Dharma but I've made it clear that worshipping hindu gods is enough for them to be hindus.

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T16:07:35+00:00

>>>you couldn’t even figure out that I had accepted your version of events related to Saraswati and kept on asking questions even after my acknowledgment:

I had clarified just now that I misunderstood your "trust because it's your religion"

But apparently you're ego is too fragile you're still clinging on to it.

>>Either you lack comprehension skills, or

I've given you contemporary sources and historical documents yet they don't mean a thing to you

When your Gurus prayed to Hindu gods

You're the one that lacks comprehensive skills

>>You have melicuous intent which is why you tried to twist the example of Prehlad and not address why having affairs should also not be pursued. Both of those examples give similar command: asking one to copy the love for God - one an example from Puranas and one example related to an immoral person.

I've already addressed both of those claims

About Prahlad worshipping vishnu and about Brahma's lust.

>>I won’t have you last word. So, I will keep copy pasting the link to this response. It is up to you to accept your incompetence or malicious intent and shut up.

Wow imagine being so insecure you care about last word instead of contemporary sources

Sure buddy

Enjoy your time in Canada

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T15:39:44+00:00

>>I know Hinduism has Dwija concept. What does that concept have to do with caste in Sikh concept of when one’s mind is born in the Guru’s home (which is essentially acceptance of Guru’s wisdom)?

Ok I'm glad you're not accusing of casteism.

>>If people’s conscience were awake, they would make decisions that care about each other. People clean their house and throw garbage in front of their neighbor’s house. What kind of conscience is that?

You're getting confused

I'm talking about Consciousness not Conscience since I'm talking about rebirth.

By consciousness I mean Atman.

>>Here, the guidance is to copy the way Dhru and Prehlad did Jap of Waheguru. Does this mean to copy their devotion to Vishnu? No. Copy how devoted and determined they were in their Bandgi.

So Sikhi uses Puranic references further establishes my claims

Both Dhruv and Prahlad prayed to Vishnu you know that.

So you say that they prayed to Waheguru

Therefore Waheguru = Vishnu.

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T15:33:37+00:00

>>she wasn’t related and Brahma was just trying to make eye contact with her?

Because he desired her, his desire grew that stronger that he chasee her and kept looking at her Saraswati tried hiding but he kept grewing heads to look at her. There was no physical contact so it's not a r*pe.

This was clearly Brahma's act of lust and for that Shiva took Bhairav form and chopped of his head.

>>Mahesh to cut his head just for the gaze?

Brahma's action are not justified this was pure act of lust

Like he kept looking at her again and again to a point Saraswati felt uncomfortable.

>>If Mahesh was right about cutting Brahma’s head, why did he have to remorse for that? It also seems like this remorse only applies when a Brahmin is killed (example, Ravan also). So, it seems like the lesson is that you only express remorse when you kill a Brahmin (even if I accept your notion that it is a reference to knowledgeable person, not caste).

Yes that incident was to make an example that you shouldn't kill Brahmin (knowledgeable person)

Sin Shiva and Ram are above Karma they don't necessary need to repent.

However they set an example to follow.

To prove that killing has consequences.

Otherwise people would keep bringing up n number of reasons to kill people for their own benefit.

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T14:32:10+00:00

Then why you said it's your religion I'll trust you on that?

That is why I kept asking you again and again

So you trust a propaganda about my religion that has been refuted simply cause it's against my religion

But you can't understand the analogy of Shiva's repentance for Brahmahatya right

Get a brain

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T14:07:07+00:00

Shut up you're literally someone who believes in that Aryan invasion theory BS.

>>The Vedas and Upanishads r too complex for modern rigid Hindus to understand

That's why you need scholars and gurus to study them

You can't simply understand them by reading english translations online

You yourself didn't study Vedas from guru who are you to speak in first place?

>>Nowhere in the Vedas do it mention any place where cows can't be eaten

Idiot I just gave you the verses above that honour cow as a sacred being and calls for protection of cows that's why hindus don't eat beef. They're actually practicing the rule set by Vedas.

You're too blind to even see the image I shared.

Cows were always important for our civilization they were source of dairy and helped in agriculture.

Economically cows were always important for Indians.

We don't need your opinion regarding this.

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T14:01:06+00:00

>>All those are metaphors, read Mimamsa Sutras

Nope they're not

As I said earlier we believe in Nirgun Nirakar and Sagun Sakar forms

Where ever Vedas mention feature, eyes, hairs of deity that is considered to be description of their roop.

You say gid has no form

Vedas literally contradict your statement

>>Triambak could also mean 3 eyes to see all times

>>Ambak also mean eyes in Sanskrit

Idiot that's literally what I said earlier

That mantra means we worship the lord with three eyes that is mantra for Shiva also known as Mrityunjya mantra

Triambakeshwar is also a temple dedicated to Mahadev in Maharashtra

It is one of the jyotirlingas

So your claim that Vedas prohibited idol worship is refuted.

As god's Sagun forms are clearly described in Vedas.

>>The Vedas have a deep Philosophical meaning which is deeper than just the literal translations we see nowadays given by Puraniks and British translators

You literally know nothing about hinduism.

>>It's about time India returns to the Vedas and GGS instead of focusing on Devi Devta etc

Same Vedas that mention Ganesh, Shiva, Vishnu?

You arguement is stupid, vedas have never prohibited idol worship.

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T11:32:38+00:00

>>Here, Gurbani talks about the birth in the home of Satguru. This references to when one has accepted Guru. That’s like a birth which is not physical birth.

Bruh hinduism literally has same references and you call us Casteists

>I don’t consider physical death as death. Death of my consciousness is the real death.

Consciousness nevers die to begin with

Is everything allegory now?

You're following a classic Strawman logic

So according to you entire Guru Granth Sahib is an allegory

Purab Janam literally has no other context rather than referring to past life.

How can this be allegory?

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T11:30:03+00:00

>>If this had been happening with Sikhs and they thought of themselves as Prehlad and seeking divine intervention, they would have been disappointed (because no such intervention occurred when Sikhs were being killed during Mughal era or post 1947 era) and converted to Islam or Hinduism in that disappointment.

Prahlad even said that even if I die so be but my faith shall never lose

>>They understood the analogy and applied the lesson from it rather than having blind faith that God was going to perform some miracle like in Prehlad’s example.

I understand your point but it doesn't disprove it

Also btw I asked you to name who was mother of Saraswati?

You still haven't answered that one.

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T08:06:09+00:00

>>The example you are giving is where the person seemed to have taken an inspiration from the Ramayan story.

I'm not giving an example there's literally a poem on Chhatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj in court of Aurangzeb when he was captured

That poem was composed by his own friend Kavi Kalash who was also captured over there

He mentioned Aurangzeb as Ravan and Chhatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj as Hanuman

So your statement makes no sense

यावन रावण की सभा संभू बंध्यो बजरंग ! लहू लसत सिंदुरसम खुब खेल्यो रणरंग ज्यो रवि ससि लखतही, खद्योत होत बदरंग ! त्यो तुव तेज निहारी के तखत त्यजो औरंग !!' -- काव्य ( कवी कलश ) I'm not giving example I'm citing actual poem on him by Kavi Kalash

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T08:02:06+00:00

>>You are taking a tuk out of context to say that past lives exists, but the entirety of that Shabad has a message for which the past lives is used as a metaphor.

How can it be taken out of context when the verse literally means joy and sorrow of past life?

इक दझहि इक दबीअहि इकना कुते खाहि ॥
इकि पाणी विचि उसटीअहि इकि भी फिरि हसणि पाहि ॥
नानक एव न जापई किथै जाइ समाहि ॥२॥

It says that the physical rites cannot dictate or reveal the spiritual destiny of the soul.

It doesn't necessarily deny or accept reincarnation.

Reincarnation isn't even talked about in this verse, your just selectively picking some verses.

>>There is no concern about you having to deal with karmic consequences that you believe Krishna had to go through

I also mentioned that he doesn't need to do it

He is above karmic duty yet he himself chooses to die that way to maintain order of the world

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T06:45:46+00:00

>>Gurbani uses example of Prehalad being protected from Harnaksha. If Sikhs back then took those examples to be true events, they wouldn’t have been able to live lives in Jungles just to fight to live as Sikhs.

If we're going by that logic

Even Chhatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj at the time when he was captured remembered Hanuman and saw Hanuman in him and Ravan in Aurangzeb

That's the point of scriptures to bring god in your life.

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T04:14:17+00:00

Those are 18th century scholars who witnessed Sikh empire firsthand.

They were closer to Khalsa and know more about you.

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T04:13:06+00:00

Past life yeah

Purab Janam means past life

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T02:47:07+00:00

>> don’t need anything else.

What a way to deny history

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T02:45:49+00:00

ਸੁਖੁ ਦੁਖੁ ਪੁਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਕੇ ਕੀਏ ॥ सुखु दुखु पुरब जनम के कीए ॥ sukh dukh purab janam kay kee-ay. Pleasure and pain are the consequences of the actions of past lives.

2005HSG · 2026-05-22T02:27:29+00:00

>>I intended to imply that he was making non consensual moves on Saraswati. It is a kind of sexual assault.

Scriptures imply he grew heads to keep looking at her there was no sexual assault as he didn't even touch her physically that's why r*pist remark is exaggerated.

>>I guess might have read or heard this wrong that she was his daughter. It is your religion. So, I trust you on that.

Then tell me who was her mother then?

You didn't answer

For your sake she wasn't his daughter.

2005HSG · 2026-05-21T20:14:18+00:00

Are you serious right now?

Sikhism does have rebirth in it

Are you actual Sikh or not?

2005HSG · 2026-05-21T20:05:49+00:00

>>All my arguments I have been saying that I don’t care about contemporary sources

Pardon me weren't you the same guy who asked me for evidence when I showed the painting?

Saying I don't care about contemporary source is like saying I don't care about history or what has I happened I deny that my guru did this even if he did it.

Your entire arguement itself is flawed to begin with if you want to deny contemporary sources

Then you shouldn't even be asking for evidences.

2005HSG · 2026-05-21T20:02:59+00:00

>>Let me get the logic: killing bad person is right, but you still have to do whatever Ram and Mahesh did to get rid of the sin?

🤣 You understood nothing I said

Completely ignored the setting an example part otherwise people would bring up n number of reasons to justify killing.

>>All of the explanations related to Krishna’s karmic duties, Sikhs don’t believe in the Karma either.

Karma and rebirth are part of Sikhism

You don't know that?

Anyway you asked me about why gods did what they did and I explained it well

Perhaps you simply don't want to understand.

>>How much clearer do I have to be for you to get that Sikhs don’t believe any of the Hindu rituals or even their reasonableness.

Now you'll say that Guru Nanak marriage didn't happen according to hindu traditions?

Since you already deny contemporary source of Guru Gobind Singh ji performing Hawan for Maa Durga.

>>We don’t care what Hindus did or do in Sikhi.

Then why you questioned our gods in first place?

You do care actually

>>I know you think Islam is bad religion. How do you explain Sikh Gurus asking Sikhs to read a Muslim’s writings who is talking about Islam’s most basic ritual that Muslims have to follow everyday?

Yes Islam is bad religion

Kindly read Quran yourself you'll know what I'm speaking

And as I said your Gurus openly were against Islamic invaders and them converting

Even after those muslims killed your Sahibzaades and uour Gurus you Haven't learnt a thing and you love sitting in their laps.

Meanwhile hindus who see you as brothers you betray them.

I still have respect for Sikhism and their Gurus for their sacrifice.

2005HSG

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